<p>I agree with RM on both.<br>
Miami-O seems like one of the rare solid, residential smaller publics, with a beautiful campus.
IU is extremely strong in music and solid in business.</p>
<p>Whether IU and M-O are worth the OOS tuition vs.your own flagship is worth a thought. In addition, depending how distant you are, check the travel costs. </p>
<p>Finally, if an OOS flagship is your goal, there are so many that you need to do a systematic search among them; you will almost always find that kids going to them say they like them. I have never seen a good analysis of, for example, how to choose among Big 10 schools–or similar schools, from Ohio State to Oregon.</p>
<p>Re: Miami of Ohio - there was a discussion on this thread back in July (posts #1508-1515 approx). My Jewish friend’s D had an unusual experience with another student who had never met anyone Jewish. Purely anecdotal, of course. </p>
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IIRC, last year or the year before IU received so many applications that they stopped accepting them at some point (February maybe?) which they had not done previously. So some kids who waited until late in the game were shut out completely.</p>
<p>Adding: we know LOTS of Jewish kids at IU who love it there.</p>
<p>We have both of these schools on D’s list. For the kids on this thread, they both appear to be solid safety or match schools depending where on the gpa/sat/act scale your kid falls.</p>
<p>Also as RM noted, there are some good OOS merit aid awards at IU. Miami also has some decent awards:</p>
<p>Out-of-State Students
Out-of-state residents admitted as new first-year, full-time Oxford campus students will be awarded the following scholarship amounts based on both of the following test and GPA criteria:</p>
<p>ACT Composite GPA (4.0 scale) Award**
30 or higher (or 1330 or higher SAT CR+M) 3.70 or above* $10,000
28 or 29 (or 12501320 SAT CR+M) 3.70 or above* $7,000
26 or 27 (or 11701240 SAT CR+M) 3.70 or above* $4,500 </p>
<p>*90.0 or above GPA on a 100 scale</p>
<p>**The award amount reflects a combined total of one or more scholarships. These figures represent awards for 20112012; amounts are subject to change. Award determinations will be based on the official testing information received by Miami University as of March 1.</p>
<p>We will be visiting both of these during spring break. I like the size of Miami better than IU, but IU has a larger Jewish population and has become very popular among east coast kids.</p>
<p>IU has a beautiful campus, and its music school is actually one of the best in the country, which means there is an incredible performing arts schedule.</p>
<p>Every year, a few Jewish kids from my area choose IU, and they all seem to love it. I really wanted my daughter to consider IU because of the rolling admissions and merit aide, but she really wants a city school. I’ve also heard good things about Miami of Ohio.</p>
<p>Of course you’re right, at least objectively, yabeyabe2</p>
<p>Neither the larger SUNYs nor really IU are D’s first choices, and she much prefers a few mid-sized schools. But in April, if it comes down the SUNYs or expensive safeties like IU or even Syracuse, I think those two might offer her a better overall “college experience” than the SUNYs. </p>
<p>But then we’re in a unique situation.</p>
<p>One thing my ex-wife and I do agree on is going all out to let the youngest choose the school she wants to go to without worrying about the cost. It turned out to be easy for the first two. They were able to get into schools they really wanted (Colgate and UMich) and it didn’t wind up costing us even what most people will spend or incur in loans for one kid. This one doesn’t have the grades or hooks the other two did and has had some things tougher. So we’ve decided that we are willing to do pretty much whatever it will take to give her the choice of going where she wants, if she gets in. </p>
<p>One thing she thinks she would like (if she doesn’t get into her preferred schools) is that big time college experience with sports and name recognition etc. etc. IU and Syracuse are expensive safeties that will at least give her that option if the others don’t come through for her in April. </p>
<p>We haven’t looked into Miami of Ohio yet, maybe we should.</p>
<p>IU was my son’s top choice, got the distinction merit and hutton honors merit (9 +4) and a direct admit into chemistry, and selected for the STAR program… But that 13K just didnt go far enough when their out of state would have been a cost of attendance of 42K. Really upset him that he couldnt go, as he loved the school, visited, had overnight, interviewed with professors etc. The campus is so beautiful!!! But it came down to finances and that kind of debt vs the free ride he had here in state… just couldnt justify it. We both loved everything about the school, and if money not an object, go visit, you will definitely be impressed.</p>
<p>mhc48, I think you and your ex are very thoughtful in being willing to bear the extra expense for your third child (no disrespect towards those who must save the money). And having watched so many divorced couples fight over college finances–often for reasons not related to the child–it is great to see you are on the same page.</p>
<p>And it is good to see another dad posting.</p>
<p>Miami may be a good midsized option–it has had some successful basketball and football teams in its conference, so I assume it has school sports spirit. </p>
<p>I hate to think how many bright young people NY state loses for good because it has no state school with the big time sports so many kids want–as your daughter shows, it is not limited to boys. Granted, the difference in cost makes each of the 6 home football games at an OOS flagship more expensive than a trip to the Super Bowl.</p>
<p>It sounds like her preferred schools are not big time sports schools, but her safeties are? If, for example, her preferred schools are Ivies or prestigious LACs, she might find that there are very good LACs which could be safeties.</p>
<p>DD wants to add Kenyon to her list. I don’t know much about it but I’m pretty sure it’s not really for a B student. Too few people have applied from dd’s school for it to show up on her school’s naviance…does anyone know much about it and/or have any data to share through Naviance?</p>
<p>collage1-may depend on her scores. We didn’t put it on our list (although in lots of ways it would have been a good fit for D) because even though my D’s stats probably would have gotten her admitted, Kenyon is expensive and she would not have been in the running for merit aid. If you are not concerned with merit aid, then you may consider applying. According to Fiske SAT 50% ranges are CR 630-730, M 600-690</p>
<p>Collage1, I’m on the east coast and every year, there seems to be a few who head off to Kenyon (looks beautiful from what I’ve seen online). It’s one of those schools that gives a HUGE advantage to ED…something to think about. Our HS does not have naviance data. (Gosh, I feel I live in the dark ages here.)</p>
<p>Made a bit of progress with S…went on a tour of Hofstra. This was his second tour (the first was Marist, which is very close to D’s college, Vassar). She came along for the tour to help get him into the whole thing. S was kind of grumbly when I tried to get some info out of him. Finally, he said that both schools seem the same, what’s the point of all this, and then, more emphatically: NO MORE TOURS. Okay, okay, I hear that. But later on, when treated to a yummy meal and well sated, he said that both these schools seem fine to him. So we have 2 on the list…mom here is happy. Now I am going to give it a rest, and will hope for more responsiveness in the spring.</p>
<p>SUNY Buffalo or whatever it is called, is the only state school with big time sports (football). FWIW it was the focus of a program on MTV called Fraternity Life.</p>
<p>collage1 - we are in Central OH and our small public HS has lots of Kenyon applicants, so our Naviance data is pretty good. it shows an avg GPA of 3.9 and avg SAT of 1324 for accepted students. there are a handful with B+/1100-1200 stats who’ve been accepted.</p>
<p>Kenyon has an excellent rep. I imagine the sizable ED advantage reflects its common role as safety school for the Haverford/Swarthmore/Williams/Amherst crowd.</p>
<p>SUNY Buffalo plays football in the same conference as Miami of Ohio, Akron, Ball State, etc–the MAC.</p>
<p>MDCISSP (and others), note the very positive Campusvibe report just posted on Binghamton.</p>
<p>My oldest son is a junior at Miami of Ohio. We are from CT. It is a perfect fit for him. B+ high school student with lots of AP classes. Academically it is a good fit, harder than he anticipated. He doesn’t like to kill himself.
Although lots of kids are from Ohio, he ended u in a frat with a few other kids from Southern CT.
Biggest draw back is how difficult it can be to get to and from. The drive is 13hrs. We tend to fly Bradley-Cin. Direct is 2 hours but to get him to and from the airport can be $85 each way. and NOT easy. Other than private cab arrangments, there are really no other alternatives. School only provides shuttles on the fri of major breaks and they never seem to work for his flight time.<br>
As a school, great size (15K), nice population.
What I liked best is it isn’t that well known at our highschool. Hard to find schools that are “out of the box”. This is a great choice.</p>
<p>Glad to hear you had relatively good luck looking at two schools NOT in the middle of NYC!</p>
<p>What does your S want to study? I know there are tons of schools between Long Island and even Queens, which are pretty close to NYC!</p>
<p>What did YOU think of Marist (any Jewish kids?) and Hofstra? What about Adelphi? Nice looking campus…I think people have mentioned Skidmore too, but that’s far from the city! Is he looking at any other large city or does it need to be in and around NYC?</p>
<p>Thanks so much for pointing out the campus vibe report about Binghamton. Sounds very good. Since the rep said it is getting so competitive to Binghamton, can others on this board who are OOS check their Naviance to see what the accepted profile is like?</p>
<p>My son finished his applications to 5 schools. Now we just have to sit, wait and hope for the best.</p>
<p>Mdcissp, You are very welcome. Re the competitiveness of Bing, nothing is a lock, but remember that is much more competitve in-state than OOS, so you will have an advantage over the Campusvibe poster.</p>
<p>By the way, I note that my contact who is a freshman there has not met anyone from his state (NJ) yet–and is not terribly outgoing–but made a lot of friends quickly. Although the northeast attracts bashers on friendliness grounds on CC, none of the NJ kids I know who have gone to PA, NY, MD schools, etc has ever reported any issues or needing to find other NJ kids. And no issues based on religion, either.</p>