<p>Binghamton this past year was very open to out of state B/B+ kids without great boards or hooks. A significant number of state schools are going for OOS kids because they can charge them more–our HS had a huge number at Michigan and many B kids at Maryland.</p>
<p>But again, know your kid–some will feel a small school is jsut HS, Part 2, while others will do much better at a place where eveyone knows their name and they have a better chance to be an activity leader, a notable intramural athlete, etc</p>
<p>EA: "My issue is kids who are applying to Tulane as a reach - doing SCEA in the belief it improves their chances - and then not being able to apply EA to safety schools "</p>
<p>These kids need to find rolling admissions schools if they want an “early” safety.</p>
<p>SUNY Binghampton: Another negative about SUNY Binghampton is that if you have a kid that wants a campus with a big time D1 sports program…none of the SUNY schools qualify…except in Hockey. Basketball (Binghampton is in trouble, unfortuntely) and Lacrosse are improving…but no big-time football. </p>
<p>I know this whole sports issue may seem petty to many on this thread, but some kids want that rah-rah everyone on Saturday headed to the stadium. They want to watch their teams on TV and root for them…and have “visions” of doing that as alums. Many of the smaller sports programs have that feeling within their conferences – but some kids can’t be convinced that it’s the same atmosphere if the school teams aren’t on national TV!</p>
<p>I think there is a very large group of schools that are great for B students. So…if sports, or Jewish life, or Greek life serve as qualifiers – then the list becomes more manageable.</p>
<p>SUNY Buffalo is trying in this area, with the biggest football program in the SUNY system. It’s also got a good Jewish population (about 10%) and a growing Jewish studies program. B student should have no problem getting in, especially OOS. But then you have all the snow… (it was one of my D’s safe schools, we never got to look at it because she had a bout with e.coli that forced us to cancel our Rochester/Buffalo trip).</p>
<p>rockvillemom – Are you really saying that among the kids you know who think about applying to Yale or Stanford SCEA, none also thinks about applying to Georgetown, MIT, Boston College, Caltech, or the University of Chicago (all prominent EA schools)?</p>
<p>SWHarborfan - thanks for the ideas. My son - I believe - would be better off at a mid-sized or smaller school - but for those Jewish students who want a large university expereince - Maryland, Wisconsin, etc. - great choices.</p>
<p>2boysima - I don’t think the sports issue is petty at all. I think, particularly for a boy, that could be a very important component of the overall college experience. I know a student who was really leaning towards College of Charleston - just loved the area, the Jewishness of the school, everything about it. But in the end, he chose to go to Maryland - and the tipping point was sports. Of course, he was making this decision during March Madness - but it made sense to him - he realized that being a sports fan at a Maryland game outweighed all of the other considerations.</p>
<p>This is really interesting to hear–I’d not thought of CofC as a school with a lot of “Jewishness”. CofC’s not of interest to D1, but it might be D2’s speed.</p>
<p>They have a special accepted students day for Jewish students. Ifyou are on their mailing list and identify yourself as jewish - they will send you all kids of info on their Jewish programs. </p>
<p>I know some will question that their graduation rate is low and they don’t have a football program, but it is on S2’s list and I am eager to take him to see it this fall.</p>
<p>My kids didn’t like SCEA period. If the school is really your first choice, fine, but neither of my kids were so in love with a school that they wanted to put all their eggs in one basket. My older son had two EA schools and one “priority applicaton” that let him know by Thanksgiving, my younger son had two EA school.</p>
really? If I wanted to stereotype, I’d probably say that about asian parents. Maybe its a regional thing or a financial thing, but I don’t see that so much where I live. Not saying it never happens- but that it isn’t specific to the Jewish population.</p>
<p>I checked the website - and in one spot it says 600 Jewish students - but elsewhere it says 700. C of C has about 9700 undergraduates. The number of Jewish students is increasing - so while I previously overstated at 10% - it might be there soon.</p>
<p>yabeyabe,
I think you said the same thing I did in your post # 309 here. But I think there are asian parents who have heard of, and consider some of the non-ivy’s on your list (MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech, some top LACs, and lets add U of Chicago, etc) as acceptable schools to aim for. Two prominent asian posters on CC have kids at those schools. Seems to be more cultural, and not just the recent immigrants, but thats just my observation. There also have been several articles written in asian magazines about the pressre on kids to attend the top schools and the rising suicide rate. Its been posted on cc. I’l see if I can find it.</p>
<p>I have lived both in the NE and the SE. I think what you describe may be true more in the NE, where it seems the cars in the shopping center parking lots are festooned with great NE schools. Down here, in the SE, we see far fewer car decals, and many more state school decals. Perhaps it is because the majority of students do tend to go to school in their region, within a few hundred miles of home. Do you live in the NE?</p>
<p>Forgot to mention-- totally agree-- C of C is a great school for Jewish Kids. My friend’s s will be a student body officer next year. If you need the exact % of Jews I can ask. He’ll probably know (and he is jewish). We know lots of jewish kids at C of C. Some at U of South Carolina too.</p>
<p>jym, NE and I think you are right. I think in the SE, there is much more of a history of the elite families sending their kids to the state flagship to meet and marry other kids of the elite, with some exceptions who go to Vandy or Duke or Princeton.</p>
<p>I think part of it is that the NE has so many prestigious schools within reasonable driving range. And another part is that kids outside the NE are much more likely to grow up as huge fans of state flagship teams, while those teams in the NE are vastly overshadowed by pro teams and Penn State is the only consistent football power in the entire NE, although BC, Syracuse and Rutgers have their moments.</p>
Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. But then again, there are also lots of state and regional schools too. You guys in general have a greater concentration of colleges and universities up there That said, I didn’t seem to notice as many Pace or Iona stickers as I did the Ivys and top LACs on cars, but maybe I wasn’t paying close attention.</p>
<p>But there are many more families than just the old bluebloods in the SE, and going to college to meet the right person of the right family… I think that was maybe true a generation or 2 ago, but not now. Probably not so different than those who sent their kids to Harvard and Yale for similar reasons… including for the family and political connections.</p>
<p>I think the explosive growth of Atlanta, Miami and Charlotte brought in a lot of out of staters. I am not as sure if things have changed as much in Alabama, Mississippi TEnnessee and South Carolina. It is also common in the NE for NJ kids to go to Penn State, Delaware or Maryland instead of Rutgers (and many of the other combinations). I simply do not know how common it is in the rest of the country to go to state schools in other states.</p>
<p>I’m still catching up with the B/B+ students from yabeyabe’s town attending Maryland? Michigan?..really? boy, if that is true, 2010 was certainly a different year than 2008-2009…not that they are really “fits” for us, but very interesting…</p>
<p>in terms of CofC, very highly recommended around here…would be curious to know from jym’s son’s friend whether there is a “prejudice” against Northerners there at this point; there are some comments on one of those s-t-u-d-e-n-t review websites</p>
<p>and not that anybody cares about my opinion, but rockvillemom’s assessment of the disadvantage of SCEA at Tulane for the “B” student has gotten my goat since the fall; our college counselor shares the sentiment and has communicated this to Tulane…and suggested that they reinstitute ED in the future…(not that they will listen to her either but nevertheless)</p>
<p>yabeyabe-
There has been a huge population explosion all over the south. Its not just limited to the major metropolitan areas, though of course their rise has been huge. And I believe there are lots of students that do go to OOS state schools, not just their flagship. In fact, in many areas, GA, FL etc) its increasingly difficult to be admitted to the flagship U. And as for out of staters attending schoolslike U of A, well I’ll let mom2collegekids address that, though I dont think she is reading this thread.</p>
<p>Rodney-
I’ll ask the folks I know whose kids are at C of C about the “northerners” issue. The one whose s is going to be a student council officer is originally from the NE- they moved south a few yrs ago. The other one just graduated.</p>
<p>The Michigan admits were A- kids–over a dozen.</p>
<p>The Maryland kids were B+ and up.</p>
<p>And, jym, 2 to Bama and one to Ole Miss. Northern kids love the sunshine. At least from our school, they only do not consider Great Plains flagships, despite their great sports, etc.</p>