Colleges for the Jewish "B" student (Part 1)

<p>S1 arrived home with his friend and former roommate tonight. They stayed around for about 1/2 hour and then they both left to visit S1’s high school friends. S2 is still doing homework and of course can’t join them because he has school tomorrow. </p>

<p>We are back to normal after the long power outage from the storm and S2 got the ED/EA applications, music supplement recorded and sent before the deadline. It was stressful - who would think you would lose power for 10 days and have no school for 6 days right at the peak of college application time. Maybe you can use this argument to encourage yours to not wait until the last minute. We planned to send them 2 weeks earlier and everything was delayed.</p>

<p>Happy Thanksgiving everyone and congrats to those accepted already</p>

<p>Hi everyone, still having computer issues so haven’t been able to get on here much, but wanted to wish all a safe and happy Thanksgiving. Feeling there is a LOT to be thankful for this year, and you folks on this thread sure are part of it!</p>

<p>Chemusic: You certainly did have a stressful time getting those apps out. I’m glad to hear that things are finally back to normal.</p>

<p>I’m glad to hear that most of our college kids have made it home safely. I’m very thankful to have both of my girls home until Monday morning. </p>

<p>Wishing you all a wonderful Thanksgiving.</p>

<p>I wanted to wish everyone a happy thanksgiving. i am very thankful that ED is only 1 week away! my son is very thankful that hopefully he won’t have to listen to me count down the days!</p>

<p>everyone enjoy your families being together and the great feast.</p>

<p>Best wishes to all! </p>

<p>Got my D yesterday, and she is doing great. Phew! It was a rough start, but she’s well past it now, and she’s even got some understanding of why it happened: not busy enough at the beginning, and needed to let friendships develop, mostly. Now she’s busy all the time and has more friends than she’d ever dreamed. We’re prepared for ups and downs, of course, but she definitely is in a good place, doing what she wanted to do. I am very thankful for that.</p>

<p>Emmy-Great news!</p>

<p>EmmyBet - that’s wonderful news and I think you make a very important point - both for students and parents. Going away to college is a BIG adjustment. It does take time to make friends, find activities you enjoy, adjust to the roommate situation, begin to get a grasp on the workload, etc. I think sometimes we expect too much too fast and if things aren’t perfect right away we get panicky. </p>

<p>I think any time you have a transition - a move - a new job - you need to give yourself a few weeks - maybe a few months - to settle in. And going away to college is like a combination of both of those events. Thanksgiving seems like a reasonable benchmark. A student who is miserable in September might be completely settled in and happy by Thanksgiving. </p>

<p>Glad it worked out for your daughter.</p>

<p>Thanks - I’ve been working how I’d describe her situation, because I want to share it here particularly. She was a B+/A- student and had choices ranging from big publics to top-tier privates; she was looking for a very specific program and ended up at a mid-tier school with certain disadvantages she knew she’d have to overcome. Some of those disadvantages contributed to her difficult transition, and since they are attributes many B-student schools share, I did want to let you all know how she’s dealt with them.</p>

<p>Like many kids she got her best offer academically, artistically, and financially from a school with many commuters and a high number of local kids who leave on the weekend (the “suitcase school” syndrome). Mostly she’s had to balance her vision of college - and the vision she got on her two visits, lots of conversations with students, staff, local people, and what she knows about these kinds of schools - with the reality. Everyone told her that she’d have “her people,” that her program would keep her very busy, give her a strong community, so that she wouldn’t notice the commuter/suitcase issue. </p>

<p>I would say that in the long run, in the big picture, this is absolutely true. And as much as she was prepared going in that she might have a challenge getting the kind of experience she wanted, I don’t think she was quite ready enough for those first few weeks. It was true that she herself had to learn to throw herself into the experience and find her way - just as at any school. But I would say that people who are considering these schools might want to prepare for an immediate set of solutions to the loneliness and boredom as the campus clears out those first few weekends, and the exciting, connected, busy life hasn’t quite started yet.</p>

<p>As I’ve said, her adjustment process could have happened anywhere - we expected it with her somewhat slow-to-warm-up/very idealistic personality. I do think the college could do more for the kids who are trying to make a full-time residential life there, but we’re seeing a lot of progress (this is a school in transition), and D hopes to help influence them more positively for kids like her in the future. </p>

<p>I’ll also say there was an element of “deus ex machina” in her case: She’s one of the kids who moved to college in NY during the hurricane. This affected things quite significantly: 1) we had to cancel a family day in Manhattan the day before move in, which not only would have been fun, but would have gotten her completely on board with going into the city - as it was, it took another full month before she could do that, and it’s a very integral part of being at this school; 2) the University moved everything back a day, except the start of classes, and they cancelled a full day of orientation activities, plus the kids lost that day of just being together, eating meals, etc. 3 days after move-in, most of the campus left for Labor Day weekend, and D was kind of high and dry (so to speak). </p>

<p>I am not trying to scare people about commuter/suitcase schools. Some of D’s best friends are commuters, and she will benefit I know from having friends in the area to visit, get favors from, etc. Also, as promised, her particular program has a much higher percentage of out-of-state kids, and she is having very much a “regular” college experience, now that things have settled in.</p>

<p>I would say that this kind of school would have been a lot harder if it: 1) were smaller, so the campus literally emptied - D’s school has a couple thousand kids who do live there; or 2) were in the middle of nowhere - hello, D’s school is near arguably the most exciting city on the planet, so you can’t blame the school for not being the hub of entertainment! I would say those two attributes would be red flags. Otherwise my only comment is just to be prepared - hopefully the kids will be ready to jump in a little faster than my D, or, if not, will be ready to wait for things to jell.</p>

<p>I have seen on CC, and do believe it, that there is nothing to be ashamed of in a transfer, and also that program really is everything. D is thrilled with her program, which is great, because she would have to transfer if that hadn’t worked out. But also just after these few months she has the perspective to see that college does not have to be everything you ever wanted - yes, we hope for a truly all-encompassing perfect combination of academic, extra-curricular, social, environmental elements, but that’s pretty rare. </p>

<p>D was the type on college tours never to want to see dorms, food, etc., saying she wouldn’t ever choose a college based on that. Well, some of those things really bothered her the first month or so - before the more important aspects of people and program took over her time and energy. Now she says she still feels that the details are less important than those essential elements, and she’s just glad to be over the break-in period and on to the good stuff.</p>

<p>Emmy, thanks for that insightful perspective. Learned a lot from it.</p>

<p>Happy Thanksgiving to all here. Nice to be a complete family again</p>

<p>Just want to do a little updating here as I have come across some new information and it seems as if Jewish life is on the upswing.</p>

<p>Here is a link for the Fall 2011 newsletter:</p>

<p><a href=“http://hillelatusc.■■■■■■■■■■/uploads/7/9/7/4/7974152/hillel_at_usc_fall2011_newsletter_b.pdf[/url]”>http://hillelatusc.■■■■■■■■■■/uploads/7/9/7/4/7974152/hillel_at_usc_fall2011_newsletter_b.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>They now have hired a Rabbi to be the first ever Director of Jewish Life and seem to be attracting larger numbers to weekly Shabbat dinners and so forth. Hillel also does joint events with AEPi.</p>

<p>The Jewish population at USC is still quite small - I see estimates in the 400 student range for undergraduates - which is a tiny percentage of the student body - but it’s nice to see them gaining a little traction.</p>

<p>Glad to hear about your D and Adelphi, EmmyBet, I live nearby, my office is even closer and my kids all took drivers ed there and I never would have known that much about the school or the positives you mention. Though it seems to be working out for your D, I wonder, for others considering a similar choice, whether you think it would have worked out as well if she hadn’t been in the smaller more cohesive theatre program?</p>

<p>Had a great Thanksgiving yesterday with lots of our extended family’s college kids all back from schools like UMich, Tulane, Duke, Middlebury, UDel, and a grad from Colgate. . Every one of them had either gone to Jewish day schools or been very active in USY or BBYO. Three had been regional officers of BBYO in HS.</p>

<p>But there was a surprising consensus over dinner. None of them were active in or even really much interested in Hillel on their campuses. A few sometimes attend Friday night dinners (but not necessarily Kabbalat Shabbat). They all said that they found the other students at their schools who were active, to be (this is difficult) I guess socially less outgoing, less attractive, nebbishy. I was totally taken aback by this universal consensus of 10 previously active kids, and what they reported as the consensus of all of their Jewish friends who they hang out with on campus. They all have Jewish friends, a few are in Jewish Greek organizations and one or two like or have attended Chabad programs.</p>

<p>Has anyone else heard similar reports?</p>

<p>mhc - thank you for raising this issue. Whether it is perception or reality - it might explain the low numbers of Jewish students who are involved in Hillel on various campuses. Perhaps Hillel is not cool? I think we need to hear more from our returning freshman class. Anyone?</p>

<p>S2 reports that Hillel/HH services, etc. are a bit too touchy-feely for him, and that he likes our shul’s services better. He does go to Shabbat dinner from time to time, and read Torah at YK freshman year, but his year he came home to read instead.</p>

<p>Am not surprised; neither of my kids ever really identified with USY and preferred a more religious bent in HS (though S1 has now said he’s agnostic…).</p>

<p>For those if you who were following my saga of intermarriage among the young cousins in my family - an update you might find of interest. The cousin who married a non-Jewish girl earlier this month - well - they have changed their surname. Instead of keeping his last name - which does sound Jewish - along the lines of xxxxxberg - they have discarded that name entirely and are using his generic sounding middle name as their last name.</p>

<p>So - would you like to place bets on how Jewish this new household is going to be?</p>

<p>Well - to be fair - my father-in-law changed his very ethnic sounding last name to a very generic last name - which is now my last name. But that was in the 1940s - he was a salesman - and wanted a last name that was easy to spell and pronounce. And of course so many Jewish families had their last names changed for them when they came through Ellis Island! I have a branch of family that has members with 3 different versions of what was the same last name in Europe - as three related family members left Ellis Island with a slightly different and shortened last name.</p>

<p>I have no idea why this cousin dropped his last name - and certainly it is his choice to do so - I’m just a bit puzzled today.</p>

<p>rvm: I too am shocked about the name change in this day and age! And my grandfather also dropped the “ky” from his last name in the early 1900s to sound less ethnic. Different times. I don’t know of anyone who has done that in my life time (although one Jewish friend of my brother’s dropped the “berger” part of his last name for business reasons, though the first part of his last name is still quite “Jewish sounding”). In your family’s situation, the fact that it was done right after the intermarriage speaks volumes. I’d be saddened too.</p>

<p>Just read your post to my DD (and told her about the shower too) and she is appalled.</p>

<p>rvm- I read this article yesterday about new social trends in naming and though it might be interesting to you… <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/fashion/babies-surnames-to-hyphenate-or-not.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/fashion/babies-surnames-to-hyphenate-or-not.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>That was interesting - thank you for sharing. It does get rather complicated with the hyphenated names. I guess for some creating a new surname is an option - as my cousin just did. Curious to hear the whole story at some point.</p>

<p>MHC, the low level of Hillel activity you report, even among former USY officers, is common. The kids may have been pushed into those HS activities by their parents; or view them as “been there, done that, now on to something else”; or worry about them seeming uncool. </p>

<p>At least the kids were honest; I have seen many kids who assured their parents they were active in Hillel (or the Newman Center and other religious groups) just to avoid hassles, similar to those who say they have never had alcohol or pot.</p>