<p>Me, too. :eek: (been called worse)</p>
<p>Me too, soprano.</p>
<p>And mini.</p>
<p>Let’s have coffee.</p>
<p>We should all have coffee :-)</p>
<p>That’s one of the reasons with time I became not religious. I do not think birth control is evil.</p>
<p>I’m a hellspawned atheist too. Can I have coffee with you?</p>
<p>I just stocked up my Kuerig supply.</p>
<p>Ooops, that’s a different thread.</p>
<p>This is irrelevant to the thread, but I’m just curious: The Catholic Church teaches that contraception is intrinsically evil. The 98% figure thrown around, supposedly the number of Catholic women who have used birth control, is actually far too high, but we only have to look at families in the pews, noticing that we don’t see a lot of five-, six- and seven-child Catholic families like we used to, to realize that Catholic women are using birth control in great numbers.</p>
<p>So, how are those women regarded by the Catholic Church? Is each one going to hell if she hasn’t confessed their sin and sincerely repented? Do Catholic women feel guilty about using contraception? It seems like a great divide indeed between self-professed practicing Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy. The women are in a state of mortal sin and shouldn’t be taking communion with their one or two children, if I understand my childhood CCD classes correctly.</p>
<p>MD Mom ---- Hahahaaaa!!!</p>
<p>“I’m a hellspawned atheist too. Can I have coffee with you?”</p>
<p>Only if you are willing to have it with a Quaker, who believes that war taxes are intrinsically evil, and feels like (and is) a total hypocrite every time he pays them.</p>
<p>I’m Pagan- can I join in this coffee party? I don’t drink coffee though :(. </p>
<p>It seems that “intrinsically evil” is most definitely not a settled issue. It must vary from Catholic to Catholic: <a href=“Intrinsic Evil and Political Responsibility: Is the concept of intrinsic evil helpful to the Catholic voter?”>Intrinsic Evil and Political Responsibility: Is the concept of intrinsic evil helpful to the Catholic voter?;
<p>And if someone seriously thinks that only the Catholic Church can be bashed here on CC, then they’re purposely ignoring facts or they’ve missed the many posts that bash Islam. Most of them were on the politics forum. It was far more blunt than any of these posts are.</p>
<p>Cardinal Fang - it’s probably more accurate to notice that Catholic women AND MEN are using birth control. :)</p>
<p>You’re right, PinotNoir. Also, your name is tasty.</p>
<p>I couldn’t get romanigypsyeyes’ link to work, but I think this might be the article she is talking about:</p>
<p>[America</a> Magazine - Intrinsic Evil and Political Responsibility](<a href=“Intrinsic Evil and Political Responsibility: Is the concept of intrinsic evil helpful to the Catholic voter?”>Intrinsic Evil and Political Responsibility: Is the concept of intrinsic evil helpful to the Catholic voter?)</p>
<p>Written by a Catholic theologian at Notre Dame, it discusses the Catholic idea of “intrinsically evil.” “Intrinsic evil,” the article says, is not a measure of the moral badness of an act. A minor social lie would be intrinsically evil, but not heinously bad. But</p>
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<p>Burning down your own building without a care about whether someone was inside would be heinously bad, but not intrinsically evil, then.</p>
<p>So, according to this theologian, Catholics who want to do right actions should be concerned with preventing evil, and should not be prioritizing intrinsic evil (contraception for example) over other evil (the death penalty, for example). She refutes mom2collegekid’s claim that preventing intrinsic evil has a special moral status.</p>
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<p>A lot of religious people do not think that birth control is intrinsically evil.</p>
<p>CF, yes, that’s the link. Sorry about that!</p>
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<p>Former Catholic checking in. Yes, I did feel guilty about using birth control. I will say that my friends who’ve remained Catholic do not feel guilty about using birth control, they’ve made their peace with the issue. In general, they feel the Catholic hierarchy is just completely out of touch on the issue.</p>
<p>pugmadkate, do they confess (in confession) to using birth control? Or have they decided it just is not a sin?</p>
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If you look at the numbers, it’s much tougher to be a Jew in this country.</p>
<p>How do you figure that, zoos? In what way is an atheist better off than a Jew?</p>
<p>Hate crimes against Jews are much more common. Around 1200 in 2010 versus less than 100 anti Muslim attacks (I am currently working part-time as a trainer for a Muslim organization, by way of disclaimer). I’ve not seen numbers of any attacks on atheists.</p>
<p>The Kuerig makes cocoa and tea, romanigypsyeyes. </p>
<p>Cardinal Fang…speaking as a marginal a la carte Catholic who was baptized and whatever else they do to us, I try to be a good human. With all my Catholic guilt, I imagine that I may not end up in Heaven, but since my Dad took his own life, perhaps I will see him again. I also had a TL the day after my son was born, but that was definitely during a lapse time. Our former priest used to say from the altar that if our Catholic but pro-choice senator showed up in mass, he would refuse her communion.</p>
<p>So, like many, many other Catholics, I just keep my mouth shut and try to live a good life the best I know how. Luckily, I am comfortable with my beliefs and I try not to judge others. And I do not go to confession. Come on over for coffee…</p>