Cooper Union for Graphic Design

<p>5,200 views thank you
When I was in the bookstore of Cooper Hewitt looking for kaelyn’s euro-anglo design bibles yet my eyes focused on this one - face up piled high on the center table, brand-new! fresh out of oven!
<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Victore-Who-Died-Made-Boss/dp/0810995913/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1284523495&sr=1-1-fkmr0[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Victore-Who-Died-Made-Boss/dp/0810995913/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1284523495&sr=1-1-fkmr0&lt;/a&gt;
I mentioned about it in some other thread and now, just did thru examining at B&N.</p>

<p>James Victore is one of the SVA bigshot designer who have been teaching 15 years but actually never finished schooling.
He learned what he needed to know about being graphic designer from looking at books in the university library as a kid where his mom worked and had to wait for the ride home after school every day, then later apprenticing to SVA teachers whom given him D grade while he was a student.
AND, loves Norman Rockwell (yay); the big old book of works was around in the house he was growing up, so were weird posters his dad got while serving overseas.
I am not really crazy of any of his works, esp. awful subway posters SVA 'd churn out one after another ( I know I know Raininguru, it’s just me…)
but some of what he said made me think, and lack of formal higher thru art education kept him somewhat accessible and bit dorky, the way I like it.
and I love that he ended the book with fake letter addressed to " James Victore’s mom" from MoMA ( could be real, once achieved his caliber, I bet you could befriend MoMA bigshot to send joke-real letter done on their official stationary.)
He must have wanted to dedicate this first book of his to his mom the most. In the shadow of every great man, there are great moms… heheheh</p>

<p>here is what he wrote about challenge to meet students’ need to get qualify for a job as a commercial designer. say, he could help them do that , but then…</p>

<ul>
<li>and the (design) job doesn’t love you.
most student enter class with a prognostication of what their future in the design business holds. And generally it is not a pretty picture.
When it is suggested that they widen their perspective or entertain a radical idea, or just shoot for the moon, I am met with that lamentable moan, " But, Mr. Victore… In the real world…"
these students are not even out the door, haven’t yet had their first whiff of rejection, and are already bracing for it.
This is, of course, is natural, as they have already trained in design. Trained by twenty years of sitting in front of the TV. Of looking at the colorful - but " new" and inevitably " improved" - sadness that fills the supermarket. Of watching movies marketed for them, made from formula and the only memorable bit was a fart joke.
They are unitingy trained in corporate - and committee -approved design.
They have been trained to " obey" </li>
</ul>

<p>jab to Shepard Fairey -the other sticker guy- hype? ( could the master/Victore possibly be jealous?)
his description of students here does not so much apply to Cooper kids, in fact, it’s so very SVA - you go to school to get trained to do “real world” paying jobs, what else?</p>

<p>I like what he said about making ceramic plates and drawing on it
-In design school today there is much less emphasis on drawing and making. We are completely competent at teaching computer skills, but forget step number one - the ability to draw and create with your hand is imperative to understanding design and form. </p>

<p>naturally, he does not use much technology. he still draws, cook ideas manually, many many many times. goal is to make something looks like he just kind of doodled up but after hundred of revisions, tweaking, editing. phew.
here is his advice</p>

<p>"The hell with genius. Work hard. "</p>

<p>good morning 5300
there is no new stuff yet in Cooper admission office, let’s hope it will come around for ED time. then again, it’s Cooper, don’t count on it.</p>

<p>Enrollment
Students are accepted on the basis of merit alone, and (bold letter here on) every students receives a full-scholarship currently valued at $ 35,000 annually.
for academic year 2008-2009:

  • 9 percent admission rate ( means out of initial apps, bet it’s not by seriously-completed-and-returned art hometest count)
    -approximately 1,000 full-time undergraduate students: 50 percent in engineering; 35 percent in art; 15percent is architecture ( thus brain average count comes off way higher)
  • 50 students in the Maurice Kanbar Graduate Institute working toward the Master of Engineering degree ( where’s grad arch ?)
  • 64 percent male, 36 percent female ( big number from male dominant eng. again)
  • 40 percent African -American, Asian-American, Latino, American Indian; 45 percent Caucasian; 13 percent foreign nationals ( rather want to know the each racial break down per each school thou I kind of know)
  • 60 percent from New York City and state; 40 percent from 40 other states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and U.S. virgin Islands ( mailing address wise? otherwise contradict with international head count above)
  • 7.5 to 1 student-faculty ratio ( cant’ run. can’t hide ohhhhwww)</p>

<p>STUDENT, ALUMNI AND FACULTY ACHIEVEMENT
With approximately 1,000 students, The cooper Union wins a vastly disproportionate share of the nation’s most prestigious awards:

  • 31 Fulbright scholars since 2001
  • 11 national science foundation graduate research fellowships since 2004
  • at least one first prize - and often more than one - in student competitions sponsored by professional societies every year for the past seven years
  • 40 percent of graduate go to top-tier graduate programs ( again, brake down in art grad please, where how many how often how soon)</p>

<p>Among the prestigious awards recently won by our alumni:
-12 Rome prizes
-21 Guggenheim Fellowships
-three MacArthur Fellowships: Whitfield Lovell ( A’83) Elizabeth Diller(AR’79) Ricardo M. Scofidio (AR’55) (is this guy still alive?)

  • one Nobel Prize in Physics: Russell A Hulse ( Ph’70) ( yep, there used to be short lived physics major)
  • nine Chrysler Design Awards
  • three Thomas Jefferson Awards for Public Architecture
    -one inaugural Jane Jacobs Medal: Barry Benepe (A’54) (is this guy still alive?)</p>

<p>for a tiny school brag sheet is long, to be continued</p>

<p>phew 5,400 views, narrowly avoided being buried under pile.</p>

<p>The cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art seeks students of exceptional ability, talent and drive.
Our professional programs are well suited for students fully committed to studying architecture, fine arts or engineering.
In addition, our faculty of humanities and social sciences offers an array of classes to complement your study.</p>

<p>For art applicants, talent is judged via a home test and submitted portfolio. (means, reject = no or little “talent”. boo hoo )
For architecture applicants, talent is judges by home test. ( more like how well you speak Cooper language, not arch language)
For both art and architecture applicants, high school grades and SAT/ACT scores are carefully reviewed but secondary to the work provided within the home test. ( thanks for that at most)
Engineering applicants are evaluated after submitting high school grades, SAT/ACT scores, two SAT II scores in Math and either Chemistry or Physics, and series of short essay questions. ( note here, how much eng. kids are asked to do, and subjects’ M,C and P are capitalized- big brain three)
Applicants to our three schools may submit up to three letters of recommendation. In addition, each of our three schools admit small number of transfer students.</p>

<p>Since we offer every enrolled students a full-tuition scholarship, in turn we expect hard-work and dedication from our student body. ( nothing is free, so it says. thou it takes major slacking off to get kicked out from the school of art once you are upperclass man. live thru first year somehow, kids! )
Joining our academic community is a life changing experience ( you mean joining cult)
one that requires commitment of four or five years depending on your program of study. ( and will continue = haunt for the rest of your life)</p>

<p>hello 5,500 from Grand Rapids
I don’t like making new thread that would bump down others and here is off topic often enuff, spare me Peter Cooper.
I am at this hotel lobby using PC which has weird keys and won’t do what I know to edit so there will be bad spelling galore.</p>

<p>Michigan! is seems to be the place for me now, I look at the scenary art art art
Art, means lots of thing to lots of people.
You will find anything here, photocopy graphite portraight to a crazy quilt.
Swoon, Ron Munick Jasper Jons Dale Chihulli double ( in bad way)<br>
all you need to do is pay 65 bucks and find the place that host your work.
lots of local folks, Kendall College faculty, alms, few internationals,
some westerner, NYer.
I can see clean line here/ who that knows what they are up to - will be the ones chosen to be best 10 eventually $250,0000 winner but you kinda want to believe that, really, art fairy done decended onto every common people’s backyard.
So many nomal looking nice mostly Midwest folks with kids in tow so fair and blonde in colorful fleecy clothing -man it’s cold up here, I had to wear LL bean Parka I brought as a rain gear,which made me head -toe BLACK, let alone only (Asian) screaming loud
" I am from NYC!" in entire downtown.
this remind me of my coworker’s remark when he and his fitmodel wife traveled around halloween time and local folks asked her
" so what are you dressing up as? Darthvader?"
he added
" and, they were not kidding."</p>

<p>Artprize is started last year by Some local moneyed guy to revitalize Grand Rapids community.
It was a HUGE hit and this year, more venues, more entrees, more prizes.
registering and voting are sort of tech heavy. very organized and $$ savy, like, there is NO free map. You have to pay for it. the guide come with coupons for area restaurants and shops etc, you will get back the cost of the map and guide, local business would thrive on tiny discount that still good enuff to pull in costomers whom coming to see artworks hosted there anyways. smart.
totally more civil and nice wholesome than “work of art” which is now doing castcall for second season at this very moment.
it is sort of telling.
Art, sure is changing (for good way?)</p>

<p>BAndD:
In your post here of #142

  • at least one first prize - and often more than one - in student competitions sponsored by professional societies every year for the past seven years
    which competition count? Any idea?</p>

<p>5600 and going
could be that new kids opening the thread without knowing what’s in it?</p>

<p>around the corner from the Cooper, St. Mark’s church is on 2nd Ave 10th street.
being there forever looked over artist community go up down sideways. I have to do some looking up to know its history whatnot but big name wise, Allen Ginsberg to Sam Shepard put up the show there in their beginning of career.</p>

<p>It’s raining today I don’t know how it will affects, but they are holding green market outside 12 noon to 6 PM and its own Artfair.
you are to bring visual artwork 2ft x 2ft something to do with food, or farmers market.
The notice I read was half torn by rain, don’t know if you’d win anything - money? basket of veggies?</p>

<p>Cooper kids, if you got any time between your hard schedule, go see what’s up.
thou they’d cancel things suddenly and only way to find out is being there.</p>

<p>^loveblue, I have no idea what kind of awards, how prestigious they are.
I just found that funny, like, they are itching to brag.
my guess is those science thing - Intel or robotics whatnot for HS kids, but college versions.
I went to see big art competition in Michigan and it seems doing visual art, you really have to know what you are doing to be competitive. let alone cost lots of money and time to create such works, meaning art students are not really able to do that on side of their schooling.
I talked to Kendall college student who were working at its cafe. many percipients are faculties ( need/want money! fame! recognition!) or alms, very few students in only upper class.</p>

<p>there are postings in the 30 Cooper SQ building for any competitions, award, festival of sort. informations are out, but I don’t know how much Cooper’d encourage anything those outside activities.</p>

<p>PS
then of course, if you win, they’d put you up on the next brag sheet!!</p>

<p>bears- “percipients” you coined a new word.</p>

<p>Participants, recipients…</p>

<p>^ and I thought I was getting better…</p>

<p>group edit
Ron Mueck, not Munick
Jasper Johns, not Jons
Dale Chihuly, not Chihulli
customer, not costmer
art fairy descended, decend not.</p>

<p>and the lyrics of Simon and Garfunkel go like this;</p>

<p>“Michigan seems like a dream to me now”
It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw
I’ve gone to look for America </p>

<p>Laughing on the bus
Playing games with the faces
She said the man in the gabardine suit was a spy
I said “Be careful his bowtie is really a camera” </p>

<p>“Toss me a cigarette, I think there’s one in my raincoat”
“We smoked the last one an hour ago”
So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine
And the moon rose over an open field</p>

<p>hummm you could smoked on the bus? when was this?</p>

<p>hello 5700
anyone, got art?
[url=&lt;a href=“http://www.curatenyc.org/guidelines.html]Guidelines[/url”&gt;http://www.curatenyc.org/guidelines.html]Guidelines[/url</a>]
the guy doing this came to WNYC raido show and what he said is
you have to live in NYC
submit artwork thru web by Oct 6th
will be shown as postcard sized reproduction 4" x 6" in various venues to get exposed to wider audience/ critics/ curators/ money people
good luck!</p>

<p>… web face is super dorky… sample works are, too. means it is a GOOD thing.</p>

<p>guess it will be a job to make something like Artprize happen in here, I mean, they’d ( Midwest folks) leave moneyed sculpture outside unattended, (do cover up just in case it rains or what) leave pointy or delicate stuff with visiting kids on their parents’ own accord and commonsense, thou artists are required to get insurance, but yet.
My kid was astounded by how skinny and weak Grand Rapids bike chains they’d lock up super fancy bikes in downtown over night.
“like, goahead cut’em and take me! rob me! what’s wrong with these people?”
what’s wrong with US? rather…</p>

<p>5800 wow
this week, the Newtown creek was officially named superfund site, meaning they are going to clean up 200+ years of gunk: debris from industrial waste, swage and oil leak, trash in the waterway that runs along Brooklyn Queens border.
I was listening usual WNYC radio and thinking, 200 years- Peter Cooper time! his glue/ ferry/ jello/ steel endeavor could have anything to do with it? it sure could.
bet noone, even Peter really thought about environmental issues, waste management, toxins back then while industrializing. they did not know any better.</p>

<p>Oct. issue of Artnews ( my guilty pleasure - should read " academic" art publications but, hey! this is pretty! fun! easy! I know every words in it! why not!! ) got this article.
<a href=“http://www.artnews.com/issues/article.asp?art_id=3062&current=True[/url]”>http://www.artnews.com/issues/article.asp?art_id=3062&current=True&lt;/a&gt;
today’s artists know better, how harmful some chemicals they are using to create, restore art. but there are so many that are not yet tested throughly yet manufactures do not have to tell you " well, we aren’t sure" but allowed to say " non toxic" as long as it is not yet proven “toxic”
some, like Golden, Blick are more ethical than others.
I used to paint signs and banners with amazingly versatile mesmerizingly bright lead-full sign paint (now out of business or banned, off market) with my infant son sleeping in the bassinet right next to me. He have tested since and being fine lead-wise but who knows what else I have done to harm him ( and myself) already. </p>

<p>in 1999, art schools needed to act accordingly when </p>

<ul>
<li>the Environmental Protection Agency launched an initiative requiring studio classrooms and labs in colleges and universities to meet industry standards for environmental health and safety. To avoid being fined for unsafe use of hazardous materials or improper waste disposal, many schools had to purchase new equipment, improve ventilation, revamp facilities, and hire environmental health and safety (EHS) managers.</li>
</ul>

<p>meaning, they are worried about getting fined, not really about making our kids sick?
It is hard to tell how bad really anything is until it get really obviously bad in major way, even then only after round of denial and resistance from those benefit from harmful yet money making, useful stuff- like, DDT and Rachel Carson.</p>

<p>now there were also talks about cell phones really would cause brain cancer in ten or more years of heavy usage close to your body, especially for young kids with developing brain. noone tested the long term effect but selling them off anyways, there are warnings you’d know only after purchased and start using it if you care to read tiny 6pt font on the box.
<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0525951946/wnycorg-20[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0525951946/wnycorg-20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I have been thinking, there aren’t much we can do about dirt in out food, air, water.
painting was then my job. kid had to stay with me otherwise I couldn’t work.
cell phone is necessity, headset is dorky and impractical, nah, never exceeded 400 min limit, if not in his pocket how could he know it’s ringing? everyone use it, how bad that can be?
It could be, really obviously in major way, especially “smart” phones
I’ll read said book, then think it over.
to be continued</p>

<p>happy 6,000
Bears is on a sabbatical and I’m afraid I can not live up to her extensive research and passion for Peter Cooper and his gift of a school.
I will say, I am up at RISD and the falafel here can not compare to what you can get in the Cooper neighborhood. Those lucky dogs. And for less money too!</p>

<p>Time to bump this thread…</p>

<p>Want a portfolio review at Cooper? Register for November 5, 12, 19 or December 3, 2010. Then go check out the yummy food mentioned in post #140. </p>

<p>[Tours</a> The Cooper Union](<a href=“http://cooper.edu/admissions-registrar/visiting-cooper-union/]Tours”>http://cooper.edu/admissions-registrar/visiting-cooper-union/)</p>

<p>Two new accolades for Cooper Union.</p>

<h1>1 small school by Newsweek and NYC’s first academic building to achieve LEED platinum status (and it looks like it’s made of platinum…).</h1>

<p>[The</a> Cooper Union in Newsweek’s 25 Most Desirable Colleges The Cooper Union](<a href=“http://cooper.edu/news-events/news/the-cooper-union-ranked-number-one-in-newsweek-s-25-most-desirable-small-schools]The”>http://cooper.edu/news-events/news/the-cooper-union-ranked-number-one-in-newsweek-s-25-most-desirable-small-schools)</p>

<p>[News</a> The Cooper Union](<a href=“http://cooper.edu/news-events/news/]News”>http://cooper.edu/news-events/news/)</p>

<p>Save the date (November 9) for the Urban Visionaries award dinner and silent auction. Frank Gehry will be there, as will others, and the Empire State Building will have a special lighting design that night, in honor of the Cooper Union.</p>

<p>[Urban</a> Visionaries The Cooper Union](<a href=“http://cooper.edu/news-events/urban-visionaries/]Urban”>http://cooper.edu/news-events/urban-visionaries/)</p>

<p>title contenues- Carnegie Hall or the Sesame Street, getting somewhere is never easy…</p>

<p>hello all
thank you drae for the message, G for fabulous job keeping up.
Does anyone still care? I DO!! Here is to you, Peter, 6400 and some I have missed</p>

<p>last month, loveblue; the ultimate Cooper parent of hi achieving Cooper kid (= all over academics, chamber music, classically trained plus can do conceptual visual art, athletics, community thing - you name it, done well with no tip on the shoulder - unlike annoying CC kids/moms) visited the city and freed me from the bear cage temporary.
we talked in the lobby of the Cooper foundation building awhile then hit Chelsea.
went to Mary Boone gallery since it had this Asian dude’s solo show on.
loveblue said
" it is not finished, is it?" because backgrounds are often left blank with splotch of colors on it. there is one portrait of a donkey with bits of dung colored drops.
she wondered what are back stories of those paintings, since there are many mystery images and scribbles as well, some of them she could not decode.
so I asked the guy manning the desk who did not even acknowledge our existence ( by the way, I told loveblue this is how she can tell if the gallery is a bigshot or not. whether they’d greet you, make eye contact as you come in, or ignore you, in order of no money to moneyed scale)
he pointed to the catalogue and press release idly.
If I was by myself, I’d just shut up and read that.
BUT I am with the COOPER PARENT! and those awful paintings are all sold for rather hi prices as red dots stickers next to the list say.
Good thing about weird immigrant in NYC is that, you are supposed to act weird, so I asked,
" well, her kid is at Cooper Union (pause) that’s why I’d like to know, how to get from there to here? ( i.e. sold out major gallery show)"
the guy smiled cynically and said does not know, did not answer my inquiry of how much of the portion of the sales goes into their pocket either.
the Asian dude’s painting is in high demand and they are all sold to collectors before even the show was put on.
" then why are you showing them off?"
he laughed and was kind of cute, finally.
" that’s what we do"
next, we went to Gagosian, on the same block yet bigger shot and their show was awful-awful. ( no offense but RISD BFA to Whitney biennial, don’t know what went wrong when)
the work was…a brick wall, just bricks, and steel support behind, then many heavy actual brand new motorcycles lined up tilted domino cards style, plywood upturned half pipe and splash dirt paintings.
there were men in black making sure we don’t give one more nudge to the bike domino - on Gagosian payroll or from some temp service, I can not tell.
Naturally, fancy girls at front did not give a s**t to us. must be pretty boring job that you have to be stone faced and looked bored at everything all day long, not able to scratch ear nor pick nose. </p>

<p>fast forward to last week
Good mama bear drae informed me of this documentary film, “Waste Land”
about the works of Brazilian artist Vik Muniz, who created images out of garbage with modeled and helped by recyclable garbage pickers who work in the giant landfill of Rio.
<a href=“http://www.wastelandmovie.com/[/url]”>http://www.wastelandmovie.com/&lt;/a&gt;
The artist was at the theater on the opening day I saw, for Q &A session.
The film was a killer for the sold out crowd, my friend from Brazil could pick up every Portuguese nuances of the dialogues and sniffled in tissue from beginning to the end.
his talk after the show summarize in this message
" art is a right, not a privilege"
the museum in Rio mounted the major show and invited workers from the dump.
it shows the old woman, who was one of the artworks’ model and cook for the garbage pickers, said in front of the army of media folks
" I’ve never been to museums, now so many people come to the museum to see me (the artwork)"
If Vik’s work was not sold in the high powered auction at Phillps dePury (the mentor of the TV show, work of art!!!) the whole idea -completing the film, let alone helping those workers- would not have panned out so well.
I do see some irony in that, there have to be results = money earned, to make any statement in trying the idea of
art= making change for the better.
Because claiming someone’s life being changed is not that accountable in public eyes if the person still got no clean water or good food to eat, no shoes or schooling for kids. these things cost money, from the sales done in high mighty capitalism auction houses, or donations grants whatnot from other folks who don’t want to pay chunky tax out of their pile of profit; money more likely made by doing some harm to the environment or well being of those very people they are now turn around and broadcasting their willingness to help out.</p>

<p>“It’s only a start”
in the film, the artist assures the weeping young man - the “Marat” of the garbage pickers’ association who witnessed the auction in London.
Art will, should be, the right to everyone. keep going further is the thing we all have to think about.
So should those high mighty galleries’ stylish frosted glass doors be made open wide, and them snooty front desk guys would meet and greet ghetto schools’ field trip group?
My kid went to “progressive, community aware, diverse (all magic words!!)” grade school and one mom arranged the tour of her gallery on West Broadway, Soho for the entire class.
It was great, but the place is now long gone. it doesn’t pay being nice in NYC.
Nah, not happening there on the West 24th street - but sure thing, have been always on the Sesame street!</p>

<p>PS
they do sell “Sno-caps” (hyphen instead of “w”, registered trademark) at downstairs nook, hidden from the streets and the theater’s grundge-y lounge, where snobby NYers mill around.
now $4 with snappy new box design, for movie pack of 3.1oz.
I could have donated 4bucks to the charity instead - of course I bought and ate them. mmmmm.</p>

<p>Welcome back BAndD:
Thanks for take me to the gallery and spend time to chat with me. For me it is a lost to find out any value in the exhibit we see. Maybe I am too old fashioned.
I enjoy the time we spend together and thanks again.</p>

<p>bow wow send your kid to the ^movie, Angelika film center on Houston, 15-20min walk from Cooper.</p>

<p>I figured you don’t mind being named here since you told forks in the “launch” to save my hide. Thanks.
you can edit anything I wrote here from your point of view.
Come again and let’s go look at more weird stuff that sells for so much money!</p>

<p>Welcome back, Bears!!! It feels good that you are back and properly taking care of this thread! </p>

<p>I know what you mean about high-priced weird stuff. Wouldn’t it be fun to be really loud in a gallery, expounding about how crappy it all seems? I’ve walked into galleries that are “between shows” and thought about asking if the pile of trash on the floor is the exhibit and how much does it cost? Not to be too harsh, but that holier-than-thou attitude of the workers is just asking to be drenched in sarcasm or maybe some fake innocent questions. Just to see how high their eyebrows can rise…</p>

<p>Dear-est G
wait wait! I got one!
I asked before when David Smith’s on
" 'd he ever stop by?"
" no, he haven’t"
the guy was killed in 60s? in car accident. If he ever stop by it got to be really special occasion.
It is common they position youngum’s that either family or friend or friend’s friend or secret girlfriend/boyfriend - not necessary art people since they are not the ones doing actual selling.
besides, they have to stay still and not allowed to read those precisely arranged materials on the desk while at work. All they have to do is point those with the attitude
“how dare you ask me a question you fresh off the boat, you!”</p>

<p>so are you going to the Cooper dinner $500 and up apiece?</p>