<p>Sure, there are probably some people who didn’t vote for him because they couldn’t “get over” his race, but that population is much smaller than the rest of the people who didn’t vote for him.</p>
<p>^^bestwhit, you think my statement was ridiculous, yet, the statement you made above is classically naive. Anyone who can imply that most white’s who didn’t vote for Obama didn’t vote for him based on his position on the issues is lying to themselves. They felt McCain was sharper on the issues? C’mon already, McCain never had a snowball’s chance in hell. And despite what you may believe, this was painfully obvious – so much so that those who didn’t vote for Obama, in all likelihood, didn’t vote for him based on his race. They simply didn’t want a black man to be the president of the U.S. </p>
<p>If McCain was so sharp on the issues, why did he spend his entire campaign attacking Obama and trying to play off the fears white America had of him, instead of impressing voters with his stance on the issues? Why were toy monkey’s being passed around at McCain rallies? Why were McCain supporters yelling things like “off with his head” and “traitor” at those rallies? Why did the FBI have to foil a plan white supremacists had to kill Obama? Where was all the diversity at the RNC? Anytime McCain as much as spoke somewhere, 99.9% of his supporters in attendance were white, and that is not by coincidence.</p>
<p>This country needs some serious dialogue about race. For too long, blatant racists have been able to make comments, much like have been made throughout this thread and throughout this entire site at times and say they aren’t being racist, like everyone’s stupid. </p>
<p>Also, look at the regional breakdown of states that McCain won. Was that just a coincidence? I’m no pundit, but I’m far from stupid. It was easy for blacks (or any other race for that matter) to vote for Barack cause he was far and away the better candidate. But can whites say the same about their reasons for voting for McCain, and keep a straight face? If they can, they’re very talented liars.</p>
<p>I know a lot of white people who didn’t vote for Obama because of issues, NOT cause of race. They’re rich people who want to keep their money. One girl I know was upset because she said now her family will have to live in a box and they won’t be able to afford college…both her parents are surgeons! these people are ignorant and think he’s a socialist, and that the poor will be lazing around in armchairs being served lemonade by the former elite…it’s funny cause these girls are paying a quarter mill to go to elite LAC’s, and they’re majoring in Art, Education, Communication, and English Lit. Talk about a waste of money…</p>
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Uh, did you think that the second Obama was elected, Americans would run through fields of daisies hand in hand and the land would flow with milk and honey? He hasn’t made it to office yet. Give him a chance, and then judge.</p>
<p>I don’t really give a hoot what the Canadians say. The great WHITE north can shut up. I’ve met so many judgmental Canadians…wahh wahh Americans always vote conservative. Uhhh, Stephen Harpur? Y’all always elect old white men too. Don’t like liberals in your own country, but can’t get enough of ours? That goes for the French and Brits too. Gordon Brown? Nic Sarkozy?</p>
<p>oh and Shifu I have met SO many Asian supremists it’s not funny. I remember in HS, we had to write a big paper on a personal topic, and an Asian kid even wrote about Asian supremity. Think a whitey could get away with it?</p>
<p>I quite agree with this. The day after the election, the Canadian Broadcast (CBC) played a video titled “America is founded on racism”. It is quite interesting.</p>
<p>As an Asian who had experienced racism when I visited the U.S., I think (certain) Caucasians need to stop that kind of superiority. STOP IT.</p>
<p>Also, what was all that crap about McCain supporters being the “real America,” and Barack’s supporters being the “fake America?” Sounds to me like those were code words for “white” America and “black” or “non white” America. This was the McCain campaign that put that ridiculous notion out, which was a desperate attempt by a man who knew he was beaten.</p>
<p>Did anyone hear a black person throughout the campaigns refer to Obama as a terrorist or a muslim? I wonder why so many white’s had that to say about him. Couldn’t have been that they were being hateful and racist, could it?</p>
<p>stargazerlilies: Now the conversation is becoming increasingly uncivil. The sole reason CBC played the video “America is founded on racism” was to underscore how far the U.S. has come. I believe that video was quite objective and had no deliberate attacks or negative connotations.</p>
<p>Many international students at Cornell I believe, and on internet forums, tend to be more liberal (not in a political sense); they tend to view things more openly and more objectively. </p>
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<p>Canadians have every right to voice their opinions on every single internet forum. Opinion like yours really give the international communities a bad reputation of the United States. Canadian folks, keep posting.</p>
<p>The reason why I do not like John McCain is his solution to problems. If country X does not agree with the United States, “fight.” Is that the way to solve a problem?</p>
<p>Um I’m not saying you don’t have a right to speak, I’m just sick of Canadians constantly blabbing about American politics. My uncle married a Canadian woman and lives up in Toronto now, and they’re all like “wahh wahh Americans ALWAYS elect the conservative old white guy” Guess what Canada, so did you! Don’t pretend racism doesn’t exist up north. We just elected Obama, don’t call us racist while you’re sitting pretty with Stephen Harpur…no offense to him or anything. America’s not founded on racism, although it’s certainly a part of our past. I’ve traveled all over, and racism is just as bad, if not worse around the world. The worst I encountered was Japan, though Europe’s not far off. And don’t pretend whites are the only elitist race. I swear I’ve met more Asian supremacists than white ones. They’re open about their feelings with me because I’m not white, so they feel comfortable saying it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’re the minority, but don’t have an attitude about it. </p>
<p>And don’t lecture me on how McCain sucks, I campaigned for Obama.</p>
<p>See this is what I was afraid of. When Obama is elected white people in America will think racism is finished and done with. There are still many issues to address even with a Black man as office, and I’m sure people will be as racist as before. Every racial group in America faces much discrimination against the supremacy of the “White Man”. That is a fact that is true beyond this country and applies to the rest of the world. </p>
<p>Also, most Republican voters are uneducated, they are not rich, and they live in poor Southern states, poor/working class areas of other states, and the unfortunate parts of the MidWest. Only a small percentage of them are educated and wealthy as only the top 5% of America holds 95% of its wealth. So it is safe to say that most people who voted for McCain were middle to working to lower class whites. These people do not understand the economy because if they did they would have voted for Obama, like some of there mates, Rednecks for Obama, Republicans who turned Democrat for the economy, etc. The only thing these people understand are social issues, like abortion or gay marriage but in this election it was ethnicity and race. </p>
<p>McPalin told them that Obama will raise “taxes”(not “their taxes”) and they got riled up and mad, meaning they did not understand McCain or Obama economic policies, because Obama was only going to raise the taxes of those that make over $200,000 a year. Most of those people are lucky to see an income of over $30,000. They did understand that Obama middle name is Hussein(the name of a “terrorist”), meaning that he is Muslim(and you know they’re all terrorist), that he is Black and rich and looks down on white people, that he is socialist and will make America socialist(I don’t think many really knows what socialist is, or even that the Western world hates socialism). Many who did not vote for Obama did not like the fact that he was Black with a Arab middle name, making them, yes, racist. </p>
<p>But there were others who did vote for other reasons. But let’s not disregard the major race issue that was the forefront of this election, I think that would be pretty ignorant.</p>
<p>The Western world doesn’t hate socialism more than anyone else, heck, we came up with it. In countries like France, a Socialist (member of the Socialist party, openly Socialist, not a name she is mocked by) ran for prez last year and it was close. Socialists are just hated a lot in the U.S because people think “uh oh! Socialism! that’s kinda like what them Commies wanted!” yeah I don’t like it myself.</p>
<p>And Obama didn’t also have his share of mudslinging at McCain?</p>
<p>Again, I am ecstatic Obama won - I’ve supported him for a long time. I was just saying my opinion is that the population who didn’t vote for Obama because he’s black isn’t that large. And the states that McCain won have historically been republican, not necessarily “racist” states.
I probably won’t respond to anything you might address after this though - it’s seriously about time this thread died.</p>
<p>France may have a had a Socialist person run for President, but that is pretty common in French electoral politics. It is usually a person from the Left(dominated by the Socialist Party) and a person on the Right(dominated by the conservative UMP) to run in the seconad round of the Presidential elections. But the Left fails to see any real success at the national level since President Mitterand. </p>
<p>In other words, there are stronger Socialists parties in other Western countries but they still have hardly any leverage at the national level mostly at the regional level. Socialism is still not liked in the Western world, even if they created it. Marxism was created by Karl Marx, a German, a Western man, does that mean Britain, Germany, France, and the US love it? Did the Cold War not happen?</p>
<p>Yea those states might have been historically Republican, but again let us not discount the disfavor the people in those states held for Obama and its racist undertones.</p>
<p>Oh and no way did Obama musling as bad and as inaccurate as McCain did. Most of what Obama said about McCain was true and about his policies. McCain’s camp always highlighted Obama’s “American-ness” leading to his ethnicity. </p>
<p>You can ignore this thread now, whatevs, but this election is always going to be in the history books and is always going to be discussed in classrooms around the world. The thread may die, but the history discussed in it will still be alive. And many will still say that this election made America face its Race issue in a way it didn’t think it was ready for.</p>
<p>I didn’t mention anything about Marxism. The point I’m trying to make is that socialism is more “accepted” in other countries. Socialists are the teeny minorities who hand out their flyers on the street while people mock them and throw the papers in the trash. In France, Segolene Royal, a Socialist, ran for the final round of Presidential elections. She lost the race with 46% of the vote. In the U.S, if someone said they were a Socialist, he wouldn’t even be considered, the term is taboo, a step away from “Communist” and “terrorist”.</p>
<p>Thanks for making such great posts. Of the posters who have a good handle on the issues and can use political jargon fluently, it’s clear your aim is not to flaunt your knowledge or mislead people, but to simply state the truth about how things are, and that’s priceless on a site like this. </p>
<p>stargazerlilies, Shifu, you guys are also on point. I’d hate to see any more drama evolve out of this thread, considering the obvious drama I was engaged in earlier, cause most of us seem to be on the same page about this election and some major issues in America, like race.</p>
<p>While we can never speak about things like race in totality (like ALL white’s who voted for McCain are racists), We don’t get anywhere when we can’t acknowledge that, by far, most whites who voted for McCain are definitely racist. And there is truth to the notion that there are elitist, racist types in other races. At Penn I’ve seen them all, the Asian elitist, Indian, white, Jewish, and yes, black. It’s just that white’s are always the one’s in power, therefore, they perpetuate greater discrimination over races they deem undesirable (mostly black and hispanic). </p>
<p>On another note, I can’t stand labels like conservative and liberal. Those terms are thrown around so loosely that it’s clear to see what they imply in today’s world. That’s why when a black person happens to be a republican, it’s worth noting. I’m an independent and always will be. I do know that Reagan and both Bush’s didn’t do JACK for most other races in America but white’s, and that’s why whites love them so much.</p>