Pretty much. The young kids are just shifting from one situation to another. And if their not in school there still out playing with the neighborhood kids. Unless we quarantine them all…
Top infectious disease doctor would not fly for pleasure during coronavirus pandemic
From CNN’s Michael Nedelman
The US’s top infectious disease doctor told CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta Thursday night that he wouldn’t get on a plane right now due to the coronavirus outbreak unless absolutely necessary.
“I certainly wouldn’t get on a plane for a pleasure trip. It would have to be something that was really urgent,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during CNN’s coronavirus town hall. “My job is the public health. If it had to do with the public health and I needed to do something for the public health, I might do that because I’m quite healthy. However, if it was just for fun — no way I would do it.”
“I’m a pretty healthy guy for 79,” Fauci added.
Sure, and that’s what is happening but not all younger people are mild case. 15-20% of all patients will need hospitalization. Do the math. Even at a conservative rate of 10-20% (some experts say it could be 40-80% infected) of Americans infected, that will be a lot of sick people needing care and overwhelming the healthcare system. This has already been talked about a lot on this thread. More overwhelmed the system = more deaths, bringing death rates up from 1-2% to 4-7% or more.
Should we stop all public transportation unless for an absolutely necessary reason to use it?
Should we make everyone shop online?
Should we stop weddings, funerals, graduations, christenings, religious services.
Obviously some of this has been done on a small scale but should we do it across the board?
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Welfare or handouts or other monetary favors by the government are often politically easier to do by tax credit or deduction. But that means that they are unable to reach those who need it most (those with no or very low income, unless the credit is refundable that can result in negative income tax, but then having to file income tax is still a barrier to some).
When done by tax credit or deduction, they are also more politically difficult to remove, since removing them results in complaints about “raising taxes” instead of praise for “eliminating wasteful government spending”.
In actual data from China, most young people are not affected anywhere near as much as older people.
“The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”
What daily life is like in South Korea, one of the worst-hit countries in Asia
CNN correspondent Paula Hancocks.
South Korea is the hardest-hit Asian country outside China – but recently it has also become a model for the rest of the world in terms of testing, detection, and containment.
“Since this started there’s been almost a quarter of a million people in this country that have been tested,” said CNN Correspondent Paula Hancocks, joining CNN’s ongoing coronavirus town hall from Seoul, South Korea.
“That’s far more than most other countries around the world. Over the last week the number of new cases every day has been decreasing. They have new cases but it does appear at least at this point to be a slow down.”
Just earlier this week, South Korea’s health minister told CNN he hoped the slowdown was a sign that the country has passed the peak of the outbreak.
Some lessons we can take from South Korea:
Early detection: Widespread, fast, accessible testing is key – South Korea has drive-through testing sites, and runs thousands of tests a day. That allows health authorities to detect and isolate patients quickly, and conduct contact tracing, before the virus can be further transmitted.
Allocate medical resources well: Not every patient will need hospitalization – only about 10% of South Korean cases actually stayed in the hospital.
Citizens need to take responsibility: It’s not just up to government and health authorities to contain the virus – we all have a responsibility in this. “No matter how efficient the health system in the country and how quick the government is to react, it is key that citizens are honest and cooperating,” Hancocks said.
Remember everyone: shopping online doesn’t mean that boxes just magically appear at your door. People are producing, packing, shipping, delivering, etc those goods. Delivery food doesn’t just make itself and appear at your door.
I’m not saying it’s not the way to go, but let’s remember that humans are very much a part of that supply chain too.
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Yup, I know. I’ve seen the data many times. It’s been discussed here many times. Asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic people still spread germs. I feel like discussions with you become circular and repetitive and I’m not going to change your mind.
Everyone can spread the virus. Everyone can spread germs.
Younger people are much, much less affected.
Older people are much, much more affected.
Delta is asking passengers whose flights are more than 72 hours away to not call in until closer to their flight dates to allow them to deal with the passengers needing to address flight issues within the next 72 hours.
Speaking of squashing sombreros, here’s an interesting chart to look at. And IMO, it is important to keep in mind the testing rates for each country when consider the shape of the curves. Who is testing actively, who isn’t doing much testing?
Stop arguing the same argument before the thread gets shut down, please.
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This is the absolute best news source.
Thanks again, doschicos
Other “data from China” indicate quite clearly that early intervention and containment reduces the death rate greatly. The death rate was 3-4% in Wuhan, where the outbreak started, but much lower in the rest of China. Why? Because they closed everything down that they could after they saw what was happening in Wuhan. They therefore greatly curtailed the mixing of humans and the virus and germ sharing that inevitably result from the mixing of humans. All humans.
The health care system was overwhelmed in Wuhan from a sharp spike in cases. This is happening in Italy now. When you “flatten the curve” the health care system can better handle the load of patients and the death rate decreases from this also. It’s really pretty simple and logical.
Imagine if each and every person were isolated in their own personal cave for 4 weeks. We’d be done at the end of that time because the virus cannot live except by transferring itself to a new host/victim. No hosts available? It can’t exactly migrate like a monarch butterfly or last as long as amber so it’s gone. Of course, we can’t practically do that because some people get so sick that they need help. Or they need help for other reasons, etc.
Trinidad and Tobago, Ghana and Guyana reported first cases today.
Some countries seeing larger increases:
SPAIN - Ended the day with 869 new cases totaling 3,146 and 31 new deaths totaling 86.
FRANCE - 595 new cases for a total of 2,876 and 13 new deaths for a total of 13
GERMANY - 779 new cases for a total of 2,745 and 3 new deaths for a total of 6
USA - 445 new cases for a total of approx. 1,746, 3 new deaths for a total of 41.
SWITZERLAND - 216 new cases for a total of 868 and 3 new deaths for a total of 7
NORWAY - 171 new cases for a total of 800 and 1st death.
SWEDEN - 187 new cases for a total of 687.
DENMARK - 160 new cases for a total of 674.
UK - 130 new cases for a total of 590. 2 new deaths for a total of 10.
AUSTRALIA - 115 new cases for a total of 361. 1st death.
FINLAND - 44 new cases for a total of 109.
SLOVENIA - 39 cases for a total of 96.
BRAZIL - 25 new cases for a total of 77.
IRELAND - 27 new cases for a total of 70.
Many of the vulnerable people have frequent contact with others (e.g. family members whom they live with, health care workers, other service providers).
If you get the coronavirus, it is unclear whether you will contract it again
CNN
The verdict is still out on whether someone who contracts coronavirus can get the disease again.
This was a point made Thursday by Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an infectious diseases epidemiologist with the World Health Organization, who spoke with CNN during its coronavirus town hall.
“The answer is we don’t know. Yet. What we are looking at and what scientists are looking at is an immune response to individuals who are infected with this virus. We don’t have a robust data on this yet,” Van Kerkhove said. “What could happen is that when someone gets infected, they develop an immune and antibody response. And that could provide some protection going forward. We don’t have data to be able to say whether this is possible or not. These studies are ongoing now. Across a number of countries. We’ll have to get back to you on that.”