Hopefully not at those levels. But that is an important consideration. I don’t see it getting to that level of problems with our ability to bring in reinforcements. But it’s going to get tough.
@privatebanker, I don’t see our “ability to bring in reinforcements” to be any greater than Northern Italy’s. Northern Italy is the richest part of Italy and I believe Italy has a relatively high doctor/population ratio for the Western world.
Patient who died in Illinois was 61 year old with history of pneumonia and other respiratory problems significant enough that she only left home once a week for church ( where she likely picked up virus) Also morbidly obese according to local sources.
@PurpleTitan that wasn’t me if that’s what you suggest, to be clear.
You could be 100 percent right as far as I know.
You’re a stats guy and I respect that on my end.
I posted an opinion that wasn’t even in reference to your post and you started a dialogue.
To me, it’s not any meaningful line of distinction for a 50 basis point estimate of difference for our purposes here. I’m guessing, as I said clearly.
Perhaps your post was meant to another poster.
Here is the information regarding taking acetaminophen rather than ibuprofen:
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1086
Covid-19: ibuprofen should not be used for managing symptoms, say doctors and scientists
BMJ 2020; 368 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m1086 (Published 17 March 2020)
Cite this as: BMJ 2020;368:m1086
@PurpleTitan I think our sheer size and ability to move patients via air and other means to under utilized hospitals, naval hospital ships in SF bay and NYC can also help.
Our military capability to respond with tenting and equipment is a different level as well.
And we have had a bit of head start than they did.
I am praying these resources can come into play. And lots of smart people are working on this as we speak.
Who knows. Or at least I don’t.
@privatebanker, we won’t be moving patients of a highly infectious disease by air. In Italy, they aren’t even allowing family members to visit or to get near the coffins of deceased loved ones for fear of infection. And these are Italians so this is not something they would prohibit lightly. This is Northern Italy. Rich with more doctors per capita than most places in the US. And their medical system is overwhelmed.
I thought that’s how they moved all of the diamond princess patients who tested positive.
Carl Goldberg and his wife were moved from California to Omaha via military air. It seems they could transport not critical or early stage problems to other areas.
I don’t mean patients on ventilators
But some of the volume of mid tier cases perhaps. Like I said. Just my opinion.
@Madison85 thanks for the info. Scary because I always alternate between Tylenol and ibuprofen when I have a high fever.
Something like 30,000 people died in Europe (half in France) one summer because it got hot. 2003.
I am less than impressed with European health systems and their ability to respond quickly to anything.
The US has many relative advantages besides greater wealth. Lower density, less mass transit utilization, younger median age, lower rates of smoking, better hospitals, doctors, military…
We’ll see what happens I guess…
In South Florida I am seeing comparatively little social isolation. Of course it is not like before. But many people are out and about, stores are crowded (and most are open), gyms still operating as of yesterday, people at the beach, long lines in front of Costco with literally hundreds of people separated by less than 2 feet…
If R0 of this virus is anything like the measles, we haven’t even begun to contain it that is for sure.
We don’t even have adequate PPE for our medical workers which means we’ll be running out of medical workers.
And we have a president who told state governors on Monday they should be sourcing their own respirators to prepare for the onslaught.
And last update was we only had 1% of masks that are projected to be needed.
Already there are many stories medical staff having to share and reuse masks designed to be used for one day. Stories of hospitals already full. Stories of being able to only hospitalize the most critically ill patients and sending the rest home to self-isolate.
The 2 military medical ships, Mercy and Comfort, have 1,000 bed capacity each. That will help a little but it won’t help a lot and it certainly won’t help patients not on the coasts.
It’s NOT like the measles. What gave you that idea? Measles is 12-18, Covid-19 is estimated at 2-2.5. Measles isn’t as deadly and we have a vaccine and a lot of immunity.
That’s a little bit of misrepresented portion of the call with the governors by many. It’s been highly rebutted. It was not what was being said in context. But maybe there aren’t ventilators. I don’t think they are hiding them from the states. They do have a large strategic reserve and fast tracking more. But it might not be enough. And then this becomes a terrible situation for many. Too sad to contemplate.
It’s a problem for sure. That’s why the whole shut down is trying to avoid that reality.
What shutdown? We don’t have a whole shutdown. People are gavalanting in Florida and going off to get their haircut. Probably because last week the president was still poo-pooing the severity of the situation.
Yeah. It’s partial. States rights are a big deal for many things. So you think a national shelter in place backed by troops would be accepted by us all?
It’s a problem. I would stay in and listen for sure.
Would there be riots etc and make things worse?
And wt heck is wrong with people.
Agree with a caveat. Measles is very nasty and can be quite deadly or result in terrible complications especially in very young kids (but yes, the herd immunity still protects all of us).
People were stabbing each other over gasoline during Hurricane Sandy in suburban Nassau County (just east of NYC), when they simply could have driven over the bridges and bought all the gas they wanted in the Bronx (but they didn’t want to pay tolls - can’t blame them really they are outrageous).
Oh yeah, this could get very bad very quickly.
The US is pushing to reject all asylum seekers, citing coronavirus worries
From CNN’s Evan Perez, Geneva Sands and Priscilla Alvarez
In the midst of the coronavirus outbreak, the US administration is pushing to pass tough immigration restrictions including blocking entry to asylum seekers, according to US officials briefed on the plans.
A plan to turn back all migrants seeking asylum would have its most immediate effect on the US-Mexico border. It has run into opposition from several government agencies, in part because of concerns that it would violate US and international law, including treaties on how to deal with refugees and victims of torture.
Officials are working on a plan to deny entry to all asylum seekers, according to multiple sources. That may include a plan to return all illegal border crossers without due process.
US citizens and legal permanent residents will continue to be allowed to enter the US, the official said, adding that the ban won’t apply to cargo shipments. However, it is unclear whether others will be allowed to continue to cross legally.
Asked for comment, DHS spokeswoman Heather Swift said in a statement, “President Trump is 100% focused on protecting the American people,” adding that “all options are on the table.”
One official said immigration hardliners have long looked for ways to try to stop asylum seekers from even having their claims heard by immigration officers, and that the coronavirus threat was being used as an excuse to accomplish what they had so far been unable to.
Here’s what we know about the 100 people who’ve died in the US from coronavirus
By Nicole Chavez, Amanda Watts and Janine Mack, CNN
At least 112 people have died since the first US case of the coronavirus was reported in January and the virus has spread to all states, the District of Columbia and some territories.
While the majority were treated at hospitals, a woman in Washington died at home.
A couple in Indiana infected with the virus could not be together when one of them died. As they were hospitalized, they used iPads to see each other and a nurse stayed with one of them before dying, according to Dr. Ram Yeleti, chief physician executive with Community Health Network.
It’s unclear whether any deaths include foreign-born individuals, and authorities have not disclosed all of their ages.
Here’s what we have learned about those who have died because of the coronavirus, according to a CNN tally of data from state heath officials.
Most of them were 60 years and older
Health officials have said that older adults were twice as likely to have serious illness from the novel coronavirus and the fatal cases in the US appear to reflect that.
The majority of people who have died were in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. The youngest were in their early or mid-50s.
Many lived in nursing homes or other facilities
The deadliest cluster so far has been linked to a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. More than 20 people who lived there and someone who visited the facility have died.
People who lived in other long-term care facilities in Washington, Florida and Kansas contracted the virus and died.
Many had other health problems
Diabetes, emphysema and heart problems were among the pre-existing conditions that some people suffered before they were diagnosed with coronavirus.
Only a few traveled abroad
Authorities are still trying to determine how many contracted the virus but have said some of those who died recently traveled overseas.
In California, one person went to Thailand and another one was on a cruise to Mexico. Two people in Florida had traveled outside the country.
[There’s a list by state with details about each death, if known. RIP.]
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-united-states-deaths/index.html
Measles death rate is 0.2%.