I disagree with the idea that NY is only a problem because of higher testing. As mentioned by Dr Brix in the presser, NY’s mortality is 30% right now, which is really bad. That means the spread is intense and has been running rampant for a month. It means alot of people being tested are VERY sick. They need the supplies because they have alot of very sick infected people.
Re: the Oxford FT article.
Why is that good news? Isn’t 1 out of 1000 needing hospitalization a whole lot of people in the current USA population? World population?
I’m not being a smart aleck. I feel like I am not getting the good news part of your post. Help. I’m tired.
What place in the US should be opened up? All I see is states that are doing stay at home, and states that should be doing stay at home but aren’t (I’m talking to you, Georgia and Florida).
“California mayor says he got coronavirus after attending a party at Trump’s L.A. golf course”
He’s reckless for going to a party under the circumstances. What kind of example does he give to his constituents ?
A few state stayed ahead of the curve. Those states should have manageable number after another week or two. My county is stabilizing. Those states can start opening up.
I live in Santa Clara County CA. We’ve had restrictions for almost three weeks now. It looks like our curve might be bending down, maybe. It would be crazy to get rid of our stay at home in two weeks; we might be stabilized then, but we’d be stabilized at a high number of cases, most not diagnosed.
We can’t open up until we have much better testing, and much better surveillance, like rules that you can’t go in a public place without your temperature being taken and being normal. Otherwise, we’d just open up, get a boatload of new cases followed three weeks later by a boatload of new deaths, and we would have wasted our stay at home time.
There’s nowhere in the US that has few enough cases and good enough monitoring to be opened up.
The truth is, Americans will get tired pretty fast with “stay in place” and interdictions and once it becomes old news, they will also get tired and fed up with the TV stations and newspapers trying to sell their product. Death and panic sell, life and successes, not so much. There is a news fatigue and we live in a ADHD society. In a few weeks, most people will be more than eager to return to work ( assuming they still have a job ).
I disagree with the idea that NY is only a problem because of higher testing. As mentioned by Dr Brix in the presser, NY’s mortality is 30% right now, which is really bad. That means the spread is intense and has been running rampant for a month. It means alot of people being tested are VERY sick. They need the supplies because they have alot of very sick infected people.
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30%? Is that true?
Something’s wrong with her 30% math. NY has tested 95k people according to that link provided by the other poster. 30k haven’t died…
If the 30% is supposed to mean the % of positives out of people tested, that’s about what Florida had been experiencing so far as well; other areas have this rate, too. Again until testing is done everywhere in large numbers we don’t know how much infection is in other areas.
My issue isn’t that NY is a “problem”, it’s that we’re making statements (this place is the epicenter, this place has the most infections) based on faulty data. Testing is not being done in all states across all populations in a proportionate way, it’s being done based on who grabbed the tests and supplies first or through influence. Before we decide where to send more resources, we should do more testing across the US and get better data.
Back on May 11, NY contracted with 28 private labs for coronavirus testing. Private companies don’t work for free. These services were not stolen or outbid from FL because FL hadn’t tried to contract out private testing at that point in time.
If residents of FL are upset that NY had the foresight and budget to contract for testing, then they need to lay the blame on their own governor.
https://www.amny.com/coronavirus/new-york-state-to-contract-private-labs-to-assist-in-coronavirus-testing/
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/during-novel-coronavirus-briefing-governor-cuomo-announces-new-york-state-will-contract-28
I don’t think there is data to support that from other countries. I could be wrong but I highly doubt any will have gotten over the big peak in 2 weeks. Also, people in this country are free to move around from state to state. All it takes is one person to set off a whole big outbreak in an area. Only those places where the majority of had it would be going down. I am not certain but I think you need 55% to make herd immunity. No place is there yet. NYC is on its way it appears.
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.According to the NYT map New York has had 210 deaths, while Florida has had 7. So right now I’m okay with New York getting more resources.
I’m pretty sure China lied about the numbers. The people who worked in the crematoriums there reported working all three shifts non-stop 7 days a week, a great increase from their usual. All three in the city of Wuhan were doing this at the peak and couldn’t keep up with the bodies. People video taped it and workers there filed and it was shown in wechat all across China at the time. Based on numbers of bodies usually processed and what was calculated as the number they were actually processing, China appeared to be understating their numbers by some factor of 10, and maybe more a lot more. There are other reasons I think the chinese numbers were not accurate.
According to the Florida Dept of Health, they’ve had 20 deaths so far, just for the sake of accuracy.
We will learn about the fatality rate for all exposed in the future but the trouble now is that a lot of people are getting it and it is increasing at an exponential rate. Of the percent who know they are sick, a big number of them end up needing to go to the ER and of those, a large % will die. This will overwhelm our medical system and doctors, a precious national resource, will die in the process as well. No matter what the % of the population who get it (including those asymptomatic people), the % of those who get seriously ill is a big concern.
I think there are more deaths than the official count as the CDC director indicated. There are people who died of pneumonia/flu who were found to have Covid 19 and likely many others did as well. They weren’t tested and won’t ever be. Many more are not being tested now.
Ha! I just got a notice that says, ‘congratulations! You’ve just been promoted to member.’ I guess all my blabbering in this thread got me there. lol!
Florida hasn’t tested many people, there is no way to know how many deaths have been due to Covid 19. That’s the point - no test = no way to accurately know # infected, # dead.