@jym626 I feel so sorry for your loss.
I’m so glad the president is excited about his higher viewer ratings than The Bachelor, gives me a lot of comfort in a time of crisis…
Your anecdote does not change anything I wrote. When it comes to COVID-19, many smaller, poorer nations have done a much better job protecting their people than the mighty USA. That’s true today - and likely true in the months to come. Being in the EU, those nations offer their people better access to care, better sick leave, better maternity leave and a greater safety net. All of that will be crucial in the recession that’s coming at the US like a freight train on fire.
Interesting. I understand that it’s supposed to be a dead virus. So that would be what you call what happened to me? Just a “reaction”, as opposed to actual short lived flu? That’s bizarre. Interesting, but bizarre.
The day before Mardi Gras, there were 14 known cases in the US, all on the west coast, and 40 or so repatriated from the Diamond Princess and Wuhan, all in quarantine. (2/24)
The day before Mardi Gras, Trump said and tweeted that “we have the virus contained” (2/24)
3 days after Mardi Gras, Trump called the corona virus a democratic hoax. (2/28)
4 days after Mardi Gras, the first American died, in WA state. (2/29)
14 days after Mardi Gras, first case identified in New Orleans, (3/9)(she has recovered)(news article said 13 days later, but they forgot it is a leap year)
One day later, 3/10, Mayor Cantrall cancels all upcoming St. Patrick’s Day and St. Joseph’s Day parades and second lines.
First death in New Orleans, 3/14, of a developmentally disabled man who had not left his group home and had limited contact with outsiders.
Second death, 3/15, was an Uber/Lyft driver.
Last Thursday, the 1000th person in the US died (3/26)
Today, the 2000th person in the US died. (3/29)
Who can we blame for this? How about the lack of testing early on. The first person to die in New Orleans may have caught the virus the week after Mardi Gras (btw, tourists keep coming for months), or he may have caught it later. The Uber driver too, likely caught it after Mardi Gras. The preacher who died 31 days after Mardi Gras, who had come to “cleanse” the city of our sins, almost certainly caught it after he left.
So don’t be so stupid and so predictable to blame Mardi Gras. Blame our lack of testing, and our irresistible desire to travel every day of the year - and not just on one day.
We all know people who kept traveling, well into the month of March, people who should and did know better. People like to blame Mardi Gras, and we can spend time psychoanalyzing why that might be, but it’s better to just be rational and look at the damn dates and what we knew at the time.
Were you locked down on February 25th? If so, you have a right to complain. If not, you don’t.
Yes, but the estimates being made now about how many will die are made knowing people are staying home all across the country, which will cut down the number of deaths. Any current count of # of cases or deaths is as you said a measure of how things were 1 to 3 weeks ago, not now, and also not accurate due to lack of testing so should probably be multiplied by some multiple of 10.
I shared it the other day but am glad you are sharing it again. I think it probably gives us a fairly good idea of what to expect in each area in the coming months. Thanks for posting it.
And it begins…
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/maine-coronavirus-forced-quarantine-trnd/index.html
It isn’t possible to get the flu from the shot. It is not a live virus. If you got the flu after you got the shot, it isn’t from the shot. It takes some days after you get the shot to come down with he flu. My mother thinks she got the flu from the shot because she got the shot and came down with the flu that day or the next day. The flu takes longer than part of a day or a day to cause a person to get sick. How long after you go the shot did you have those symptoms? The flu shot also takes at least a few weeks to protect a person from the flu, so if someone gets sick before then and blames the shot for not working, the shot is not at fault. People can get the flu by going to the grocery store and touching the shopping cart and touching their nose, by getting sneezed or coughed on, by waking into air that recently got sneezed into or coughed into. The flu does not last only 24 hours. people can have minor reactions to vaccines. Whatever you had, the flu vaccine could not have given you the flu as that isn’t possible.
I just want to point out (regarding flu vaccine) that a lot of the symptoms people have both with flu or with flu vaccine are a result of the immune reaction being stimulated (fever, aches) not a result of the actual virus. That is why you get it with the vaccine sometimes, it is not the flu infection!
I got the symptoms that evening – got the shot (or rather, got stabbed with the shot and bled all over the place for a while) in the late morning. The person who was giving me the shot actually said, “Oh sh**” when it happened, which I remember laughing about at the time. I’ve had the actual flu twice in my recent lifetime. Once, when I had forgotten to get the flu shot, and the other was swine flu. Both times, very similar symptoms to what I experienced after getting the shot, but lasted a lot longer.
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I found the charts in the above link encouraging — which then made me suspect the accuracy.
I mean, it would be wonderful if most of the states can avoid overwhelming the available facilities.
@jym626 So sorry to hear about your loss. Sending my prayers.
I agree that what you felt was an immune response to the shot. Your body was just reacting to seeing the dead flu virus, similar to how it would with the actual flu. Hence why it only lasted a day and wasn’t bad.
Concerned about the nation’s halting, uncoordinated response — which has featured a patchwork of state-by-state, competing and at times contradictory decisions — health experts are rushing to offer their own long-term strategies to combat the virus and edge America closer back to normal.
Their proposals come as the White House’s current 15-day guidelines on social distancing are set to expire early this week, with President Trump suggesting he might loosen them soon to help the economy. What he decides could have sweeping effects on his presidency and the lives of millions across the country. His comments of late about reopening parts of the country by Easter, which is April 12, have worried outside experts it might raise infections and the U.S. death count.
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In response, epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists, as well as former top agency officials, have put out their own ideas — in preprint papers online, by Twitter and in op-eds. In a recent flurry of proposals, a consensus of sorts has begun to coalesce around several key ingredients for an American strategy to move forward while minimizing human and economic casualties. They include mounting a large-scale contact tracing effort, widespread testing, building up health care capacity before easing restrictions, making future quarantines more targeted, and allowing those who have recovered and have some immunity to go back to work.
Yes. A reaction. A very typical reaction.
The info on my state’s page is out of date so it makes me suspect about the whole website.
Trump describes grim scenes from Elmhurst Hospital in Queens
From CNN’s Gregory Clary
President Donald Trump described a grim scene of Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, including body bags and refrigerated trucks to take away bodies.
“I’ve been watching them bringing in trailer trucks. Freezer trucks. Freezer trucks, because they can’t handle the bodies because there are so many of them,” Trump said.
Trump added that he has never seen anything like this in this country.
This is in my community in Queens, New York. I have seen things that I’ve never seen before. I mean I’ve seen them, but I’ve seen them on television and faraway lands, never in my country," Trump said.
“When I see the trucks pull up to take out bodies, and these are trucks that are as long as the Rose Garden. And they’re pulling up to take out bodies and you look inside, and you see the black body bags and you say what is in there? (It’s) Elmhurst Hospital, must be supplies. It is not supplies, it is people. I have never seen anything like it.”
Trump also described body bags in hospital hallways, but CNN has seen no evidence that there are body bags in the hallways of the hospital. There are refrigerated trucks where hospital personnel have been putting bodies to alleviate the capacity of the regular morgue.
Self-swab testing for coronavirus to be implemented this week, HHS assistant secretary says
From CNN’s Jacqueline Howard
After the US Food and Drug Administration approved the use of self-swab testing for the novel coronavirus, it will be implemented this week, said Adm. Dr. Brett P. Giroir, assistant secretary for US Department of Health and Human Services during a White House press conference Sunday evening.
It was a very big thing that the FDA approved last week and it will now be implemented this week," Giroir said.
With this approval, people with suspected coronavirus can use a foam swab in their nose to collect a nasal sample that they then would put in a plastic bag and submit for testing.
Self-swab testing not only could be more comfortable for the general public, but Giroir said that it also eliminates the need for health care workers to change their personal protective equipment each time a test is performed.
“Instead of having a provider stick this all the way in the back of your nose, that’s uncomfortable but it also requires PPE changes every time it’s done,” Giroir said.
“This not only increases the speed but it eliminates all those changes of PPE,” Giroir said. “So we will be implementing that this week, which will increase speed but also save our precious resources as we build them up in the stockpile and out to hospitals.”
Birx says that ‘12 different models’ impacted decision not to loosen social distancing guidelines
From CNN’s Jamie Gumbrecht
Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, said during a Sunday briefing at the White House that “we’ve reviewed 12 different models” in deciding whether to continue the social distancing guidelines.
Birx emphasized that officials brought “that data and that evidence to the President to consider for extending, which is not a simple situation when you ask people to stay home for another 30 days.”
“They have to know that we’ve really built this on scientific evidence and the potential to save really hundreds of thousands of American lives,” she said.
New York state death toll passes 1,000
New York state has surpassed a grim milestone as its death toll from the coronavirus outbreak climbed above 1,000, less than a month after the disease was first detected in the state, AP reports.
New York City reported in the evening that its toll had risen to 776. The total number of statewide deaths isn’t expected to be released until Monday, but with at least 250 additional deaths recorded outside the city as of Sunday morning, the state’s total fatalities was at least 1,026.
The virus and the disease it causes, Covid-19, has torn through New York with frightening speed.
The first known infection in the state was discovered on 1 March in a health care worker who recently returned from Iran. Two days later, the state got its second case, a lawyer from the suburb of New Rochelle.
Malaysia’s Top Glove Corporation Bhd, which makes one in every five plastic gloves globally, expects a product shortage as demand from Europe and the United States spikes because of the widening coronavirus outbreak is exceeding its capacity, Reuters reports.
The company has extended shipping times to cope with the demand surge, Executive Chairman Lim Wee Chai told Reuters by phone on Friday.
Lim said orders received in the past few weeks, mainly from Europe and the United States, were almost double the company’s production capacity. Top Glove can produce 200 million natural and synthetic rubber gloves a day.
Bosses speed up automation as virus keeps workers home
Almost half of company bosses in 45 countries are speeding up plans to automate their businesses as workers are forced to stay at home during the coronavirus outbreak.
Some 41% of respondents in a survey by the auditing firm EY said they were investing in accelerating automation as businesses prepared for a post-crisis world.
The news comes just days after figures showing that 3.3 million people have filed for unemployment in the US. That is by far the highest number ever recorded, and a jump from less than 300,000 the week before. In the UK, 477,000 people applied for universal credit in just nine days.
“The human cost is the most tragic aspect of this crisis, not only in terms of the lives lost, but also the number of livelihoods at risk,” said Steve Krouskos at EY.
[Surely some of these jobs will be lost forever to automation. ]
In New York city, where mayor Bill de Blasio said earlier that he had asked the federal government to deliver 400 more ventilators to city hospitals by Wednesday and warned that without reinforcements the city will run out of masks, gowns and other hospital supplies in a week, a 68-bed field hospital is being built in Manhattan’s Central Park.
Samaritan’s Purse, a charity run by Christian evangelical preacher Franklin Graham, built a similar temporary facility in Italy to help deal with the crisis there.
He said the New York City version could be up and running Tuesday.
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I’m in Central Park - they’re building field hospitals for coronavirus patients
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