I wondered the same thing as @Iglooo about the person here in San Diego that was sent back to Miramar who now does have the virus. Will all the evacuees there now have to stay an additional two weeks?
Iāve been wondering about the employment impact of the quarantine on those who are not free to leave. At what point would FMLA kick in? How are employers with missing workers handling the uncertainty of their return?
possible on U Del campus
Would be a very bad scenario to have a case on any college campus.
Wish more was known about how it spreads and how long it incubates before symptoms appear.
Sure would be helpful to have actual on the ground reporting rather than days old reports.
This is starting to remind me of the series, The Last Ship.
Oh, Iām totally crossing my fingers that someone can convince Eric Dane to be in charge of all future Coronavirus coverage. He may not know anything about the virus or even science, but that wonāt leave us in much worse of a position than the ridiculous nonnews happening now, and heās MUCH better to look at than any of the current people they keep interviewing.
Hubby has business trips in March and April to Japan, he isnāt planning on cancelling the trips. I am worried but he isnāt.
āWish more was known about how it spreads and how long it incubates before symptoms appear.ā
Only read the abstract and some discussion but I believe the entire paper to be viewable. Covers 1099 patients in China.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.06.20020974v1
More details on San Diego testing error:
- CDC gave the all clear for several hospitalized evacuees to be returned to quarantine, because CDC thought they had tested these patients' samples when, in fact, due to a "labeling error" the samples had not been tested
- Local officials realized the samples had not been tested as the evacuees were in a van being transported back to the base, but decided to let them return anyway, telling them to self-quarantine in their rooms
- These evacuees were on base for 16-18 hours before the testing results came back, indicating that one was in fact positive; that person was returned to hospital
- Evacuees have been told they will NOT need to restart the 14 day quarantine period, but some are skeptical
- Evacuees were not happy that they only learned about the situation from news reports
@catahoula Thatās interesting, but I was thinking more along the lines of having a large enough data set untainted by any political bias. It really concerns me that WHO isnāt collecting data and just arrived and the Chinese govāt is still controlling the news flow.
Some reports have said it might be carried in toilets/pipes, some say it lasts +/- time on surfaces and others say itās 2% mortality. Others have different numbers. Still, itās starting to come into focus.
I really feel for the people whose families are sick and donāt know what is going on.
Doschicos posted in regard to a sewer system problem suspected in Hong Kong and the paper I referenced does mention the percentage of patients whoās feces tested positive. I might have mentioned something earlier about how an SARS outbreak, way back when, was suspected of spreading years back.
Not particularly worried about it since Iāve long decided to practice serious hygiene - and skip bathrooms that smell of sewer gases. Donāt fly anymore, not going on a cruise, etc., so thatās pretty doable for a couple months.
Iāve seen different numbers as to how long coronavirus might survive on a variety of surfaces and varying humidity but havenāt actually looked for it. Figure I should just get into the regimen of washing my hands after touching anything thatās a public surface and get out of the habit of touching my face.
@catahoula You got that right. And yes agree about the bathroom issue. The open type toilets in many countries are pretty unsanitary.
Cruise industry should take a month off. All of them. Would be costly, but much better than the alternative of people being stuck onboard unable to land. I find cruises gross in any case, but thatās just personal preference.
For China to take the measures it has, itās likely worse then weāre being told. I heard a local man on the radio whoās wife is a Chinese citizen and had to return to take care of personal and financial matters. She told him the streets are a like a ghost town, she canāt get her bank to pick up the phone, no one is at work and canāt get done what she traveled to do. Sheās only going out to get food when absolutely needed . Heās worried sheāll have a hard time getting back to the states, she plans to fly to Seoul and then try to get a flight to Australia and then home.
He says heās fine if the government wants to quarantine her here and if not sheāll be self quarantining at home and heāll be sleeping at his office. He canāt figure out why people would be against quarantining even if its ājust to make sureā
Daily tallies for Covid-19 (official new name:
New deaths in China for 1,113 overall in China and 1,115 worldwide.
Newly confirmed cases: 2,015 for 44,653 overall in China and 45,169 +/- worldwide
Hubei Province only: 94 new deaths and 1,6338 new cases
39 newly confirmed cruise ship cases in Japan bringing the total on the ship to 174.
40 new cases on the Diamond Princess
"Japanās health ministry says that 39 more people on board the cruise ship have been confirmed as having the coronavirus. In addition, a quarantine official who was collecting forms on the ship has been infectedā¦
the total of people infected on the ship was now 174. Four are in a serious condition.
Out of 53 new test results [on passengers and crew], 39 people were found positive.
At this point, we have confirmed that four people, among those who are hospitalised, are in a serious condition, either on a ventilator or in an intensive care unit." (Guardian UK)
More on Hong Kong toilets and Covid-19.
At this point they need to test all the people on board the Diamond princess. Is that the plan? The age of the cruising community means that this is a potential big strain on Japanās health service if they get a lot of pts needing ICU.
Are we back to barking up
the wrong tree? If you have a number of infected people in the building, sewer gases are not the number one culprit and definitely the least of them all. Snot and spit in the stairwells and contaminated door handles and elevator buttons, anyone? People not accustomed to washing hands frequently? Lack of adequate hand washing facilities? Touch a contaminated surface and then rub the faceā¦ thatās a sure way to get infected.
@doschicos That article is interesting given that there are other apartments with the same plumbing. But itās unlikely to be the major culprit just one more factor of many in terms of how Coronavirus is spread.
You have to wonder how many others are doing thisā¦