Well, giving facts and data doesn’t seem to work getting through some people’s thick skulls, nor does talking about SAH as a civic responsibility - like doing it as part of keeping the essential workers safer and our hospital systems from being overrun. They leave people like me with no choice anymore,
Frankly, I don’t care if they get their panties in a twist over my words.
You’re right, @MomofJandL. The most significant concern is the number of people and how close they were to each.
It may help people understand the varying risk levels of various activities, since it looks like many people are poor at estimating risks, even if they want to reduce risk to themselves and others.
But then it may be simpler just to pretend that every person is smoking and you want to avoid the secondhand smoke as much as possible (or pretend that every unmasked person is chain smoking and every masked person is smoking perhaps one third as many cigarettes as the chain smokers).
Thanks for explaining further.
“They” don’t live in my community either. But “they” work in the grocery stores in my community and the restaurants, and a lot of other stores. They also clean people’s homes, are home health care aides in people’s home and are service people who come into our homes for various reasons. They wash people’s hair at salons, too.
I’m not scared either because I am SAH and can continue doing so for as long as necessary, because, it’s not all about me.
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I know exactly where the hot spot you’re referencing is. There were 100 cases in a single nursing home right off the bat, and the chicken plants aren’t helping things either.
@TatinG I get what you are saying. Once I knew that every other person in my town did not have this (less than 200 cases since this started with 100K population) it made me feel better every time I went to the store, or the park, and so on . Gave me a different perspective than if there were many more cases in my zip code.
WHen I make decisions as to what I do, i take into account those around me. I wear my mask when I am out in public or doing Cat adoptions on the weekend. Wash my hands and use sanitizer. Where do I go. Yes, I have been to Macys during a quiet morning (college student came home with just a suitcase and no summer clothes and we have no access to her dorm stuff still) . Yes, I would eat at a restaurant with outdoor seating. Yes I have been to the pet store and also to the supermarket. I avoid Walmart since noone was wearing masks and social distancing. But in Target everyone was behaving. We have seen a few very close friends after we have all been working from home. I will get my hair done next week with my salon that I have been going to for 20 years. They have safety guidelines in place.
Once again, would I be doing all of this, if I felt like every other person had this, likely not. But knowing the numbers has helped me make decisions that keep myself and others around as safe as possible without not leaving my home. If I see those numbers go up, I will likely stay at home more. If I was to feel sick for any reason, I would self Quarantine.
So lets put it this way. If I was positive tomorrow and a contact Tracer was to call me, I could tell you everyone I was in contact with, except when passing people in the grocery store while I was wearing my Mask.
So I guess I am one the reckless people that @emilybee refers to.
I just went into Target for the first time in two months. I have never seen it so clean!
Not many shoppers either.
And who defines “reckless?” Not everything illegal is reckless. Certainly not today, where recommendations vary widely across otherwise similarly situated towns, states, etc. I think people going to bars and restaurants in Wisconsin are being reckless right now, even though they are within their legal right to do so. I don’t think someone not wearing a mask while exercising in an empty area is being reckless, even if doing so has been declared illegal.
We always have to balance protecting the vulnerable and preserving life with the interest of other people - and not just selfish people - in living their lives. A lot of people, many of them children, have deadly peanut allergies. Presumably, they would all be safer if we banned peanut products entirely. I don’t think there’s anyone advocating for that. We make various accomodations to protect people with severe allergies, but stop short of maximizing their safety at the expense of what is really a quite trivial part of our lives.
Yes, Corona is scary. Yes, infecting one person can lead to infecting many people. But we have to be able to distinguish between types of activities - and between the weight of the impulses driving them. A person having a party with a group of friends is one thing. A family in a non-hot spot area having a socially-distanced outdoor get-togther with Grandma and Grandpa after two months of not seeing each other and no end in sight is another.
That recognition, too, is an act of compassion.
When people are stationary, any exposure (e.g. an infected person sitting upwind of you) will be longer term. If you and everyone else is moving, then any exposure will be transient at most.
Again, consider the smoking analogy. If you are stationary (at the beach or elsewhere), and a smoker sits upwind of you, you will be subject to the secondhand smoke if you stay there. If you are moving and see a smoker coming, it is not hard to avoid the secondhand smoke. Of course, that someone is breathing out virus is less obvious than smoking, so you have to treat everyone as a smoker.
The State of California has given guidance, which I suppose is why the office is opening.
https://sdcds.org/covid-19-updates/ The County gave permission for offices to do routine services under the State guidelines effective May 10. But you’d never know any of this from the dental practice! Also, that office is very open with partitions only; no doors or full walls for the exam areas. I’ve read about the issues and concerns of teeth cleaning so am not sure they will be able to sanitize sufficiently.
I’m about to end my association with them and switch practices to one closer to home that has posted detailed protocols on their web site. Including designated appointment times for senior patients, whatever that means! I’ll get in touch with them in a couple of weeks.
Well, it is and it isn’t. A hundred kids in New York showing up in two month’s time, with a dangerous syndrome that was previously rare, is notable. And it was 82 kids identified as of yesterday, so we can expect more clinicians to put the pieces together and identify more kids in NYC and elsewhere.
I’m wondering how common it will turn out to be, when all is said and done.
How very civic minded of you that you are so conscientious to know who you might have have exposed. Bravo.
I’m sure they will be thrilled to know who exposed them.
Personally, by staying at home and only doing curbside grocery, I don’t need to keep a list of anyone or worry I may expose someone.
Just because I store looks clean does not mean the virus isn’t there. I hope you know we can’t see it.
I think its a bad analogy but I’ll play along. Where are the scientific studies which show COVID particulates density in a 5-10 mph constantly shifting breeze on the beach when someone is sitting say, 10’ away? (No scientific studies? Then on what basis is the Govt closing the beaches?)
Moreover, if sitting on an outdoor beach socially distancing is bad, how can socially distancing indoors at a restaurant be ok?
I went to a park today that has thousands of acres. I was the only person there. Yet I am supposed to wear a mask.<<<<<<<<<
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But my park system will be packed with people, there will be no avoiding sharing contrails of expiration IMO. I stopped going in March IIRC, I cannot possibly ride the MUT without being around other peoples spit. The point of the message is that it covers a lot of scenarios. I expect if I lived in BFE I would just have a mask handy and think bigger picture. Imagine.
I certainly hope everyone who is concerned about the virus and it’s impacts on both our health and the economy, listened to Dr. Bright’s testimony.
I found this quote from him sums it up quite succinctly, “Our window of opportunity is closing.”
So young children get the Covid-19 foot syndrome and young adults can stroke out.
“Mr. Sharma was far too young for a stroke. He worked out every day and didn’t have diabetes, high blood pressure or the kinds of medical conditions that can set the stage for strokes in young adults, which are rare.”
“Though strokes seem to affect a very small number of Covid-19 patients, they appear to be related to a broader phenomenon that has emerged in critically ill patients: excessive blood clotting.
Patients with severe Covid-19 may develop clots in the legs and lungs that can be life-threatening, doctors said. Their blood can be so thick and viscous that it blocks intravenous lines and catheters. Tiny clots in other organs, like the kidneys and liver, have been found in autopsies of coronavirus patients.
Dr. Michael Yaffe, an intensive care physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, called clotting a “hallmark” of the disease, although “not in everyone.”
German scientists reported last week that autopsies of 12 Covid-19 patients turned up a type of blood clot called deep vein thrombosis in seven of them. The cause of death in four patients was another type of blood clot in the lungs, called a pulmonary embolism.“
“Doctors at Mount Sinai Health System in New York have also seen an unusual number of young stroke patients, saying they treated five such patients with Covid-19 during a recent two-week period. The medical center typically sees only one stroke patient under the age of 50 every three weeks, Dr. Johanna Fifi, a neurologist, and her colleagues noted in a letter in The New England Journal of Medicine.
Four of the five patients were relatively healthy; two patients in their 30s had no known risk factors for stroke. “We came to the conclusion it had to be related to Covid-19,” Dr. Fifi said in an interview.”
I tried to go to Joanne’s Fabrics today because I need fabric for masks. I wasnt comfortable trying to order online because my knowledge of cotton fabric varieties is not too good. OMG!! What a waste of time and ‘exposure points’. Line was very long. I waited 15 min in car until it got a little shorter. Then we are told that their computer system is slow and it will take a while to check out and let others into store.
I finally get inside and the shelves are bare! There is nothing left except cheap satins and flannel material. I tried to ask if they are ever going to get a shipment and they acted like I was from outer space and no clue whether anyone is bringing any more fabric in.
Why are they even considered an ‘essential’ service?? There is nothing left to make a mask and the rest is hobby stuff. It amazes me that a huge national chain cannot figure out that they might need to be restocking fabric right now.
Returned home and took the online plunge to buy fabric
I don’t know if they’re open, or if there are any near you, but quilting stores would be a way better place to get fabric than Joanne’s. Even when there is no coronavirus, Joanne Fabrics doesn’t typically sell high quality tightly woven cotton fabric. It’s just not a good fabric store for high quality fabric.
Indoors would generally be worse than outdoors (beach or otherwise), for the same behavior (moving versus stationary, etc.), distance from others, and time present.
As far as beach closures go, they were probably reacting to overcrowding.