I was more picturing the asymptomatic kids infecting their parents, who then can’t see their parents etc.
I’m married to someone who had Covid, and I couldn’t/can’t get tested. Antibody or otherwise.
I’d like to know what retail establishments policies are regarding no shirt, no shoes. Do the just let them in anyway? I can’t wear shoes comfortably, because I have bad bunions so I can go into any establishment barefoot? I had shingles and now can’t have anything touching my chest because it’s so painful. Do I get to go in topless?
What about no smoking in restaurants, bars, retail shops? Do they just ignore me if I light up and refuse to leave?
Are employees not allowed to intervene in those circumstances because they might get shot?
Why? Epidemics/pandemics have been occurring since human beings walked the earth, some to horrific result. Why is it hard to believe that yet another one occurred naturally, just as they have going back long before recorded history? We think we are somehow immune to large scale infectious diseases that have repeatedly plagued human beings before us?
Unfortunately, many retailers cave because they don’t want to risk the public outcry for this minority element. It’s old Tea Party Movement tactics.
@emilybee , depending on your demeanor, they might ask you to leave or put clothes on, or they might call the police. But most won’t physically block your entrance.
If the policy is that you should have shoes or a shirt or a mask, and you insist on going there without shoes or a shirt or a mask, you are a jerk. The world is full of jerks. Some go around bullying others and getting their way, some get punched, some get arrested. You just have to decide what kind of jerk you want to be.
From Sea Salt, a restaurant in Nashville:
Sea Salt Nashville has decided it is in their best interest to move their unique Farm to Table concept out of downtown and close their 3rd Ave North location permanently. With current restrictions in place on local businesses and the uncertainty due to Covid-19, the loss of business from downtown tourism alone would be devastating, for the owners of Sea Salt. With current cancellations and postponements such as TPAC events, live sporting events, concerts and conventions through the rest of 2020, it’s an uncertain time.
As a tourist destination, Sea Salt Nashville felt that it would take time for Nashville to get its mojo back. Traveling, especially by air, along with live music and entertainment would also likely take a hit for some time to come. With only a little over 1 ½ years left on their lease, Sea Salt did not feel that staying downtown would even be feasible, let alone profitable at this point in time. Fortunately, Sea Salt was able to negotiate a deal to get out of their lease early and is currently seeking a new location less entwined in the heart of the tourism district. Sea Salt will remain in the greater Nashville area but would prefer to be located in more of a neighborhood environment outside of downtown or in a suburb. Their new venture, Pitchfork Pizza will be opening this summer in Goodlettsville and their Café 29 concept at Cheekwood Estate & Gardens is poised to reopen June 1st. For more info on Sea Salt Nashville’s reopen plans please visit their website at www.seasaltnashville.com.
I agree with whoever suggested that companies cold hire armed guards and bouncers. Great new job opportunities!
Permission to enter private property is not a universal right. The store has the right to set a policy that they feel is in the best interest of their employees and customers. If some militant dipwad, or group of dipwads want to claim they can’t wear one for health reasons, then fine, they can tell a customer service rep what they want to order, place the order and pay for it remotely, and the order can be brought out to them. Stores can handle to-go orders . And if some group of pilgarlics try to make a scene and cause a ruckus, maybe reinforcements might be needed. It would be a shame, and no store wants what might be seen by some as bad publicity or increased risk, but it would be lovely more people would act in a courteous, cooperative and civilized fashion rather than like a bunch of boorish, narcissistic bullies.
Separate issue, but GA got its share of well deserved flack for putting out unreliable COVID data. The latest was co-mingling COVID tests and antibody tests, which made it look like more people were being tested and the % of positive cases was lower than it actually was. And sadly, the # of COVID deaths is reportedly rising. https://www.wjcl.com/article/coronavirus-in-georgia-42000-cases-1800-deaths-saturday-may23/32650683#
** apparently crossposted with garland above. same thoughts about curbside pickup for people who claom they can’t wear a mask. And to think we were complaining about fake therrapy pets and fake service amimals in stores not too long ago… seems comparatively minor now.
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Where I live you can get antibody test any time via your healthcare provider. Just make an appointment but you have to be healthy to get one. I’ve been meaning to get it, just need the time.
The testing facility near us, said they could do 10K tests per day but they only received half of that capacity.
I had to do a covid test as a requirement for a procedure and not surprisingly I got negative result. I will do the antibody test next, if I have time. Work has been real crazy lately.
Accommodations have to be reasonable, and in many areas allowing a non-masked person into a retail store to shop would not be likely to present a risk to others, if other social distancing protocols are observed. As I’ve said over and over, you do not have to let the person in, but the safest thing for everyone concerned is to do so. If the person does not observe other protocols, the customer can be asked to leave and the police can be called.
As far as no shirt/no shoes, I have dealt with the shoes issue in past years. There are people who don’t wear shoes. Most retailers will deny entry based on sanitation reasons. An isolated incident like that is not likely to get someone shot. This is getting silly. There actually are people who can’t wear the masks - both employees and customers. If it is a “mask required” area and the employee can’t be properly distanced from both customers and other employees, the employee will be placed on unpaid leave. As far as coming in topless, please shop online…
The public outcry is one thing, but most retailers are used to that. It’s a safety issue. If you’ve ever dealt with the aftermath- including psychologically- of an incident of violence at your place of work- you might appreciate this more.
Many states let their stay at home orders expire in late April or early May. There has been time to show in many of these states if was a great threat. Yes, some have acted more recently. I’ll be glad to revisit the statistics in a couple weeks.
It could be the other way around. The parents are just as likely to catch it in their places of work as the kids are at school. They could then infect their kids home for the holidays.
But, I have a medical conditions and can’t wear shoes or a shirt. I should be treated the same way as people without masks on for medical reasons, no?
And why would they call the police, that might escalate the situation further and employees might get shot, no?
I don’t see why they would intervene in my scenario but not when it comes to masks.
And what about stores that won’t let you in unless you are maskless? Yes, there are a few of those, too.
When I’ve shopped in HI, all the shoppers at Costco and the local grocery store have worn masks. A handful of people at Costco wore the masks below nose but over mouth.
There was an employee at front of both stores informing everyone of masking policy. Outside chiller section, there was employee regulating # of people entering and a socially distanced line.
There are plastic shields at all registers at Costco and grocery store and post office.
On the other hand, at post office, all 3 workers had masks under chins and only pulled them into position as I approached window with mine on. I was only customer wearing a mask. The other two customers had none. I tried to be as brief as possible. The post office is in same shopping center as grocery store.
I haven’t been inside too many other places since March when we started having Covid lockdown—actually since February. My kids do most of our errands. It’s good for them to get out and safer than us going out (they are careful—wearing masks and distancing as much as they can in stores). We know they bring back some germs but we live with it.
Sigh…
What exactly are you trying to argue here?
Are you not understanding that people who deal with the general public face real threats of loud disturbances and violence if they confront people who refuse to follow rules?
Sometimes they have physically and emotionally strong employees who can insist on compliance and win most of those confrontations, sometimes not.
Sometimes they call the police, sometimes they just decide to let jerks be jerks. Retail jobs are often a lot about deciding whether to enforce the rules or let jerks be jerks.
I am not suggesting that anyone would confront you without your shirt and shoes that would not confront someone not wearing a mask. I am stating with confidence that some employees would confront both you and the maskless, and some would confront neither, either out of fear of conflict or out of weariness of arguing with jerks.
If you have never worked a job that required you to deal daily with a broad swath of the general public, maybe you just don’t get it. You could learn about it though, by listening to those of us who have.
And yes, sometimes calling the cops escalates things, but more often jerks are also cowards who will back down when a uniformed person with a gun and a badge appears. And sometimes the jerks get jerkier, it’s hard to predict which way any individual jerk will behave.
The rules are there, some people obey them, some don’t. I don’t expect retail clerks to force others to behave in a particular way.
And I won’t go the stores that won’t let you in if you have a mask, even though that has been the rule as long as I remember at my bank. You can go to those stores, or to places that only let you in naked. I don’t care. The health department might.
To switch topics, how much information does your town provide on COVID status? I am wondering whether the disparate reactions is based in part on disparate levels of information. For example, every day my town publishes the full list of the 800 people who have tested positive ( no names), gender, age, zip code, suspected method of transmission, treatment, and current status.
So for example, patient 90 may be a female age 70-75 from zip code 123456, who may have caught it from travel, diagnosed April 3, hospital April 4-9, now listed as at home and recovered.
Seeing the hundreds of recovered patients is reassuring, and learning more about the deceased is useful
Oh yeah, our state leaders are always photographed wearing masks and socially distancing since those policies were implemented in our state. They lead by example. They do remove the masks to speak and then put the masks back on afterwards.
What I expect is for retailers to follow the same rules as they do for no shirts/no shoes/ no service.
But that does not appear to be the case. They are giving them a pass.
Maybe people who cannot or won’t wear a mask should do what you told people who want to wear a mask should do. Shop somewhere that refuses service to one wearing a mask or online.
Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, people seem to be behaving properly.
I hope it keeps up.