My health provider is Kaiser, too, but my county has free testing for anybody. Saturday they had a walk-up test site that anybody could go to.
Not even close. That is not my issue at all. My issue is that I’ve worked retail, and I’ve served on 2 grand juries. I’ve seen how the general public can behave, and sometimes it’s not pretty.
Clerks and assistant managers are not law enforcement. You have to choose your battles, and protect yourself and your employees.
Did you see the group of people haranguing the maskless shopper in Staten Island? It was a little scary. But she didn’t cower and admit her wrongness and mask up, she pushed back. So how far should the cashiers and stockboys push it?
I’m pro-mask and anti-jerk. One option cities can consider is having the police spot-patrol retail outlets and write tickets. Maybe, but I’m not sure what authority they have to write tickets based on the state or local requirements. Should they arrest people that aren’t wearing masks and won’t leave? I can just see those viral videos showing up.
What suggestions do you have to cause people who refuse to wear masks to either put them on or leave the store? Only suggestions that do not require retail workers to have professional negotiation and de-escalation skills accepted. My relative is a stockboy. He has never stood up for himself against anyone, and has no people skills.
I went to home depot today. 2 young men shopping together were not wearing masks, all other customers and employees were.
Yet in San Francisco there has been no public flaunting of the requirement to wear masks inside stores. So, I am having trouble following your argument here. Why do you think we have such good compliance on masks in SF? How is this related to shoplifting laws?
But, hey, us San Franciscans are used to being bashed in partisan wars, even when the argument makes no sense. So carry on with the nonsense…
This information would be so helpful, but all I’m getting is total number of cases, and total deaths. Just recently we learned of the exact number of deaths at each local nursing home. But I think age and occupation of each person who tested positive would be useful information. So frustrating.
I’m envious of you.
Well, this one is aimed at saving lives, so there’s that…
The way I look at it is I am helping to protect the workers at those stores by wearing a mask. Those workers do risk their lives by showing up at work everyday so we could get our groceries, medications and other essential goods. It’s the least we could do.
The benefit of living in a state as big/rich/progressive as California… Lil ole’ Colorado can’t compete 
Our town is revealing very limited info about cases. All I know is number of cases since this thing started (35), and number that are still active (3). All are listed as sheltering at home. There is no info on deaths so I assume there haven’t been any.
Simple. You ask them to put on the mask per city ordinance rules and let them know the business could be shutdown if all customers don’t comply.
If they fail to comply you get the manager involved.
If no manager on duty, you call the police for trespassing. You do not ring up their order.
If these people get hostile and assault you, they go to jail. Another criminal off the streets.
The vast majority of the people will comply, especially if they see everyone else in the store complying as well.
I really think you are over complicating this and making excuses for these people. When did we get so soft on criminal behavior?
By the way, it’s extremely rare to have teenagers working in a business without adults and/or an authority figure on site.
It’s unfortunate we have to deal with idiots but when you own your own business, that is one of the many things you have to deal with. Let’s not forget we have a responsibility to run our business safely otherwise ALL of our customers and staff will be at risk.
There you go…
Without masks, they wouldn’t be allowed inside the Home Depot in my neighborhood. Or any store, for that matter.
We only get numbers in our area. I know 60+ have died in our town. Some were in a nursing home, but the majority were not. I really would like to know who they were.
I’m an election poll worker in my town. We received an email from the registrars asking if we are available for the August 11 primary. They are anticipating a larger %age of absentee ballots. Still they need to staff the polling places on primary day.
I sent back a note telling them I’m available…but I didn’t reply all.
Another worker replied to everyone. She wants to know if the town is providing N95 masks and if the expectation is that all voters and workers will be wearing masks.
Wearing a N95 mask from 5:30 a.m. (when the poll workers arrive) to maybe 10 p.m. doesn’t sound like a walk in the park to me…but I’ll do it. I did suggest that we would need reasonably spaced breaks during the day.
But in terms of the voters…we really can’t turn anyone away. It’s going to be challenge enough spacing 6 feet apart while waiting on line. Our polling place also requires an elevator ride. One at a time in the elevator could be an issue.
We absolutely can offer curbside voting to anyone who can’t wear a mask for medical reasons. I sort of hope these folks will get absentee ballot.
I’m not sure how the town plans to “police” this issue of mask wearing.
I’m also hopeful that the primary (which generally draws less voters to the polls) will give them an idea of the kinds of issues they need to resolve before November 3.
I’m expecting this to be a challenging time.
I’ve been volunteering as a poll worker for several years (the pay is lousy so I donate my time). There have been many conversations locally and statewide on changing many protocols and procedures because of the pandemic. I won’t be volunteering until I hear many more details.
You can’t force voters to wear masks. They have a right to vote even if they are idiots.
The elevator ride at a polling place sounds like a huge issue in a pandemic. I’m surprised they haven’t figured out another venue that doesn’t require people being in a small box either with others or with stale air breathed by others.
Can’t you force them to wear masks if masks are required in the building they’re in? I have the right to vote, but I never had the right to walk naked into the elementary school where in-person voting took place.
You could not be more wrong, @socaldad2002.I too wished everyone would wear masks, and if you, a middle aged man would enforce this, I would be happy. Just dont ask my teen worker to do so, nor her 19 year old manager, against hostile middle aged adults. She doesn’t get paid enough to do so, and your assumption that if She is assaulted she can call the police is frankly horrific.
Actually, I am rather insulted by your biased assumption regarding my opinion on masks. Maybe those of us who have essential workers in our family or who have actually dealt with irate customers, care about our safety more than you apparently think we do.
Yes, SF and most of the counties surrounding it are mask compliant to a high degree.
Not all of CA is SF and it’s general area.
Atwater declared itself a ‘sanctuary city’. A business sanctuary city. They’ve chosen not to follow the staged reopening laws…because our state history shows that they don’t have too.
So my point is simple…if SF can be a sanctuary city for certain classes, Atwater can serve its citizens and declare itself a sanctuary for a different classes. The point being, CA has a long history of not enforcing laws.
So no one should be surprised when laws are not followed, we have set a precedent and even a manual for how to circumvent the ones a particular area or city doesn’t like. If some people can flaunt some ordinances, others can also pick and choose what to flaunt.
@socaldad2002 In SF don’t bother calling the police for a vehicle break-in or even theft. Don’t bother calling if someone shop lifted, don’t bother calling if someone has pitched a tent on your sidewalk. Business owners can’t control the insanity of customers prior to COVID - and some of that lawless behavior is supported by the powers that be. Good luck enforcing mask requirements…and just wait until some poor business owner refuses to ring up a purchase for mask non-compliance reasons. I will place my bet on the side of the unmasked winning that argument…with or without the assistance of the police.
…safe for whom? The law violator? The law abiding customers? The employees? the owner?
I’m sure every town in the country (except in the states that have solely mail in voting) are trying to figure out what the protocol will be before they have voters coming to vote.
Stay tuned…I’ll let you know.
For those of you in towns not providing much information on victims, may I inquire as to why they are not? Are health services so overrun they can not do so, or do they not feel the info useful? I like to know which senior living facilities, for example, victims are from, or if victims are related to one another, or if they got the virus from travel to Egypt or California or just community spread. I find it helps put things in perspective for me, so I do not understand why all towns do not do this.
Went to a different pizza place for takeout pizza today. Four people making the pizzas and working the registers. Not one had a mask on. Didn’t look like they were from the same family either. Good pizza though, only $11 for a large 18" pie, special on Mondays through Wednesdays. We’ll definitely be going back.
In my area, privacy concerns. We know the zip codes of the cases, we know the number of hospital admissions and deaths among long term care facilities, we have a lot of demographic info (age distribution, gender distribution, race distribution) about the group of cases and the group of deaths. We don’t have information about each individual case, however.
We also have information about the numbers of cases/deaths in each long term care facility, separated into staff and residents.
I would like to know details about the age, gender, and city of each case, as well as how they were thought to have been infected, but I don’t think I’m entitled to know this. I would like to know how current cases (as a group) are thought to have been infected, and I’m not sure why this information is not being released.