Disney (or anywhere in central FL) in July is miserable enough… add in wearing a mask in the heat and humidity? Ooof. Hard pass.
Yes, in the case of masks, I understood what the experts were saying and I had my own opinion. I still think I was right and my opinion now seems to match that of the experts. I could reject the claim of people in this country based on my being able to understand what they were saying. Those who reject what the majority of experts in infectious diseases and virology say are not doing so with the same depth of understanding that I could claim regarding masks. In addition, there was enough literature on the benefits of masks that I could find that it was obvious that this was far from a universal recommendation and that experts in a huge chunk of the earth were saying things in line with my views.
Show me a person who deeply understands infectious diseases and virology and I think you are showing me a doctor, research scientist in a narrow range of specialities, statistician (again in a narrow range of specialities), virology, or infectious disease specialist, not an ordinary person. The average person is not qualified to be able to tel us that the virus was made in a lab, for example or some other claim that virologists reject. they can have an opinion but even if they read a lot, that opinion isn’t founded on any depth of understanding that I think qualifies the person to have an opinion.
Well, my son-in-law works in the corporate offices of a major retailer. Today that retailer told this unit to be prepared to work from home until January 2021. 
@CCadmin_Jon mentioned this previously in one of the covid threads not too long ago. If he decides the experiment has failed, I hope he lets the community know how he came to his decision.
My sister is a wedding planner and one of her vendors is selling masks to order in the same pattern you chose for your tablecloths.
Not in the least surprised.
Going to get worse there.
I thought there were a few levels that would happen but I might be misremberging. I thought that we would have the thread and participants agree that it would sometimes be a bit rougher than ordinary threads but that the TOS still apply. I thought that anyone who wasn’t doing what they were supposed to be would be warned or given some time our or whatever. to go to ‘shut it down’ seems to skip some of those things. I don’t know if those things have been happening and I have missed them. I think the flagging a post feature is important to have (haven’t used it) but that for any post flagged, there could be a vast majority more who would not agree that a given post was breaking the rules or offensive. I don’t know if that can ever be factored into decisions but it feels like it should be somehow. I don’t know how that would be possible, though.
Today’s observations- Wednesday is my day I work onsite at a volunteer organization. We have gone from a point of 30 plus volunteers to averaging around 10. Today we had several people come back who have been staying away.
Retail and in-house dining is now allowed. I think hair salons are open or can be open in a few days. Our Main Street Downtown is now closed to traffic and restaurants can put tables on the sidewalks. My friend went down on the weekend and she said she saw a lot of people not wearing masks when walking down the street even through it was somewhat busy.
Yesterday I picked up lunch and many restaurants are still only doing takeout. I assume more will open as they figure out how best to go forward.
Today I went to the market. Still a line outside, everyone had a mask. Hand sanitizer available to buy but still no disinfectant wipes. The only limits were on bleach and toilet paper. Still no flour. I noticed that the beauty supply, bookstore, olive oil shop all were still only doing pick up only. Everyone I saw had masks on properly. Buses are free and passengers need to enter through backdoor.
Traffic is picking up.
My D’s boyfriend works for a good sized company in town and they have been told they will work from home till at least end of October. My DIL thinks she won’t go back to the office till beginning of next year. My son thinks he will go back earlier. LOL they work for the same company. I tend to think DIL is more on top of things. I think all of the younger generation are just happy they have jobs. Lay-offs are happening.
Went to the grocery store today. Not many people compared to past trips, but perhaps the time was a factor (3 pm). No shortage of meat, poultry, fish, eggs, or dairy. Plenty of toilet paper and paper towels. Even had a full shelf of 32 oz. hand sanitizer. No wipes. At least 90% wearing masks, maybe even more.
People seemed to do better with the one way thing, but of course not observed by everyone.
All in all, not a bad outing.
Oh-I have not been able to find cream of celery soup to save my life. Plenty of cream of chicken and mushroom, but cream of celery remains elusive. Also hard to find were those packages of rice that are basically pre-cooked and require only 90 seconds in the microwave. DH likes the wild rice variety but no dice.
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You can choose your tablecloths?? You don;t just use the venue’s or caterer’s linens?
Sorry, back to your regularly scheduled thread!
Two of my son’s friends work for companies that will dramatically reduce their corporate offices. Both these young men were told they will be working from home indefinitely. The corporation plans to reduce their office space from 4 large floors of a high rise to two, much smaller floors.
Yes you can. You don’t have to use venue’s or caterers linens. Or their chairs, plates, glasses, silver, etc. Of course, it’s likely more costly.
Hm. The epicenter of infection and death in the US - New York - and the epicenter of infection and death in Europe - Italy - both made the same (unfortunate in hindsight) choice to free up hospital space by sending C19 positive patients to convalesce in nursing homes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/world/elderly-care-homes-coronavirus-intl/index.html
"At the peak of the outbreak in northern Italy, on March 8, the Lombardy government asked nursing homes to make room for non-critical Covid-19 patients, to ease pressure on hospitals. The regional government said later that homes would receive 150 euros ($160) per patient taken.
Raffaele Antonelli Incalzi, head of the Italian geriatric society SIGG, said in a statement in early April that care homes were “biological time bombs,” in part because overcrowded hospitals were moving elderly patients to unprepared homes…
From the Washington Post:
"One hundred thousand Americans dead in less than four months.
It’s as if every person in Edison, N.J., or Kenosha, Wis., died. It’s half the population of Salt Lake City or Grand Rapids, Mich. It’s about 20 times the number of people killed in homicides in that length of time, about twice the number who die of strokes.
The death toll from the coronavirus passed that hard-to-fathom marker on Wednesday, which slipped by like so many other days in this dark spring, one more spin of the Earth, one more headline in a numbing cascade of grim news.
Nearly three months into the brunt of the epidemic, 14 percent of Americans say they know someone who has succumbed to the virus."
Conversely, some of the areas with fewer deaths took steps to protect their nursing home residents. Florida in the US and Germany in Europe. Similar story with the Asian countries that had low death rates - specific programs to protect care homes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/world/elderly-care-homes-coronavirus-intl/index.html
Comas-Herrera told CNN that nations that had more successfully controlled Covid-19 overall had typically done better with care homes, too.
Germany reported just 3,029 deaths in “communal establishments,” including care homes, among 8,090 total coronavirus deaths as of May 20, or 37.3% – lower than many Western countries despite Germany including homeless shelters, refugee centers and prisons in the same category. This was thanks to widespread testing, boosting wages for care workers and giving detailed guidance, including recommending establishing separate zones in homes, according to a recent analysis published by LTCcovid.
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They moved swiftly to lock down homes and introduce measures such as widespread testing, PPE, temperature checks and strict isolation zones. In South Korea it was common for staff to isolate with residents and be replaced every two weeks.
My dh’s employer (large corporation headquartered in CT) told them this morning not before Labor Day.
My husband will retire October 1 2022. I’m afraid that he will never go back to his office. We are both tired of living and working on top of each other. We did not buy a house with the thought of WFH.
Some days are better than others, today wasn’t a good day. This pandemic weighs heavily on me today.
One of my relatives told my husband last week how good he was at social distancing and he was going to keep it up. Today I found out that his kids came up from a hot zone area, stayed the weekend and they went out to dinner. Something he told my husband he was not going to do. If someone who is so resolute one week but does something completely different the next, how is this going to go?
Like I said, not a great day.
This is not to pass judgment of what others are doing or how particular states are opening up.
My firm is planning to open in July. But the lawyers have big individual offices with doors that close. Our staff is in high cubicles and we are only going to require 1/3 in every week. Rest WFH. Its very different than how most companies are set up.
Alabama cases surging:
https://www.alreporter.com/2020/05/26/were-surging-alabama-reports-largest-covid-19-increases-to-date/
In Arizona:
Arkansas:
“Arkansas’ count of coronavirus cases continued its streak of triple-digit daily increases for a sixth day Tuesday; health secretary to depart.”
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2020/may/27/state-logs-sixth-day-of-3-digit-case-ga/
Texas:
Overall seeing a decrease in numbers, but concerns about specific areas are raised:
Concerns about surges in Austin and Amarillo
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/record-jump-in-new-coronavirus-cases-raising-concerns-of-a-surge-in-austin
I don’t have the time or patience of @doschicos to look for more, but I’ve seen enough to conclude that COVID is not “basically over.”
@maya54 DH’s Office is dong what you are doing. They are sort of doing split days/shifts depending on the team. The actual office occupancy at any point in time will be about 30% of the total employees. Management all has offices and they will be in. The cubicles in this office space the folks more than 10 feet apart. In addition, they have a new and very good air exchange system.
So…2/3 or so will WFH at any given time.
Summer staff party is cancelled, and I suspect the holiday dinner will be cancelled as well.