Coronavirus May 2020 - Observations, information, discussion

Perhaps a different percentage of work is repair of occupied buildings versus new construction for plumbers versus electricians?

Apparently frying the little buggers is more likely to kill them than drowning. :slight_smile:

Back from a grocery store run.

I was going to swing by Target to pick up some allergy meds, but our community Target is one that has been temporarily closed in reaction to the looting in other cities.

I headed over to Jewel, not one I normally shop at, and was surprised to see some empty shelves & a limit on meat.

I hope there has not been more panic buying.

Otherwise a great day doing some gardening in the backyard.

Perfect weather day here today. It’s been enjoyable outside - and in - with family.

That said, I really hope June 2020 is a better month. What a year for the planet, and it’s not quite half over.

Yesterday I went to Bed, Bath , & Beyond and a security guard said it was closed due to a “maintenance issue.” So I drove north to the one in a suburb north of Dallas. The clerk there told me that they had closed several stores to prepare for the riots and looters. I was shocked. Of course that was yesterday before things had really really gotten out of hand.

“ Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise. We are learning while we are sailing. That’s why I get so annoyed by the many commentators on the sidelines who, without much insight, criticize the scientists and policymakers trying hard to get the epidemic under control. That’s very unfair.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/finally-virus-got-me-scientist-who-fought-ebola-and-hiv-reflects-facing-death-covid-19

Observing: the end of this thread ?

90 minutes and counting… (at least on the E coast… though @CC_adminJon is on the W coast…)

I will be so relieved to no longer have my name associated with this thread.

The FB comments from the ones who don’t want to mask or shut anything down are always things like, “Why isn’t the number of those who recover ever noted?” They don’t understand or believe that those recovered could be left with permanent impairments. And, yes, there are still those who post that covid is no worse than the flu.

Is this thread still open? Yesterday i was a little busy, so I was not able to correct post 5314 from yesterday:

I am happy to correct it, in this or the June thread, but I would suggest to the OP to rewatch the video carefully, and note Levitt’s conclusion at the end, “so, basically, we see now that from the very first confirmed case the rate of growth…was never exponential…instead the constant growth rate is decreasing rapidly…it’s decreasing at an exponential rate [!!]…”

Here I have linked to that part of the talk, with accompanying text:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aHrx68IT7o&feature=youtu.be&t=335

@VMT - rewatch it and if you still do not understand the graphs and the concepts, I am happy to help, really, no snark intended. I think it is important to have a sense of how numbers work even for non-technical people. Feel free to PM if you like.

@“Cardinal Fang” - I am disappointed that you agreed with that post (as they said in The Godfather, “you broke my heart, [Fang]” lol), because I know you have some mathematical sophistication. This is pretty elementary math (your husband and my son tackled this while still in their single digit years).

Watch it again, I am sure that you know that the curve of a log-transformed function will be linear over intervals where there is constant (exponential) rate of increase, but convex over intervals where the rate is slowing (i.e., is not exponential). Levitt helpfully super-imposed the charts of the first derivative of those curves (both Gompertz or sigmoid functions could be used to fit the data well, but there are no doubt others that could be used), and as you can see they are decreasing linearly implying that the rate of growth is actually decreasing on an exponential basis. (See, e.g. 2:37, the fitted line at 3:27, etc.) You can also see by simple inspection that all the curves used for the raw data (log-transformed) are convex.


Now, I know this post will not be “liked” or “agreed” or listed as “helpful,” even though I am providing actual information that can help people think about this disease. We all suffer from confirmation bias, the unwillingness to analyze contradictory evidence in the face of a held belief, but I would submit that the unwillingness to think in a pandemic like this will have far reaching economic and societal consequences. That is why I recommended Haight’s book in my original post (The Righteous Mind). It helped me understand what is really going on with public, and even scientific, discourse.

Please go to the new thread.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/2188371-coronavirus-thread-for-june.html#latest

This thread is closed.