True… to lessen even greater suffering when parents, grandparents, neighbors, teachers, doctors, nurses, hospital staff, bus drivers, delivery people… by the tens of thousands… – DIE.
I just went to the grocery store (suburban Madison, Wis.). This was my first time with a real mask. It worked fine, even though my glasses fogged up and I felt as though my breathing was restricted. Most people were wearing masks. As for products, there seemed to be plenty of meat and chicken (although there were signs asking folks to limit their purchases), and there was lots of TP. No hand sanitizer or wipes. Plenty of milk and eggs and low prices. No whole-wheat flour; limited white flour.
30 ft is a massive distance, if you measure it out. For example, it’s typical in neighborhoods around here the width of the front of the house might be 40ft. If you’re actually 30 ft. apart, you have to shout to hear each other. At that point, you should be doing your happy hours via Zoom.
If it’s anything like covid testing… it will be few and far between and it will take months if not years.
I’m not comparing levels of suffering, I was responding to your statement that people aren’t suffering during the lock-down. They are, full stop.
Doctors in our area began tracking COVID positive results by profession. As expected, health care workers are overrepresented among victims. Interestingly, teachers are, here, dramatically underrepresented. Some think that is for the same reason children are less likely to get ill-they have so much exposure to coronavirus on a daily basis for years in schools, they are more likely to be immune to it. An interesting thought.
Two McDonald’s employees in Oklahoma City were injured in a shooting Wednesday after police say a woman became irate after they were told that the store’s lobby was closed for dine-in customers.
Local ABC affiliate KOCO reported that the unidentified woman, who police said was in custody, drew a firearm at some point during a confrontation with employees in the store, firing upon them and injuring two 16-year-old male workers. Police initially thought two suspects were involved but later revised that number to one.
Police officials added to KOCO that the two workers’ injuries were not thought to be life-threatening and that they had been taken to a local hospital for treatment.
Source: The Hill
A good article from Johns Hopkins about how dangerous the concept of herd immunity is when it comes to this virus.
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When did the President shut down air traffic from Europe? I know it was still happening because my cousin’s husband flew from London, where he was on business, to NYC (where he lives and his company is headquartered) on March 6th. I know this because I saw him on March 7th at the family bat mitzvah in Connecticut. Just the week before the outbreak in New Rochelle was discovered. We also already knew about the bad outbreak in Italy by then.
I don’t believe the Governor of New York can’t shut down JFK, Newark or LaGuardia. Only the President can do that.
Some of those people who entered then left on other planes to go all over the country and some stayed in the metro area for vacation or business.
Be careful in your reading. Just bcos a local scientist has a pov doesn’t mean it more accurate than anyone else.
As an example, Dr. Fauci called the MIT study (about 30’ transmission) “terribly misleading” several weeks ago.
Our June flight to London was cancelled yesterday. We decided to wait as long as possible to cancel our trip hoping they would do that. Now, we will get a refund instead of credit.
New York could have issued shelter-in-place orders, starting March 1st. If they did that, no one would have wanted to fly into NY, except connecting flights, for either vacation or business. Having a family bat mitzvah on March 7th, despite all the evidence of the risk, is an example of irresponsible behavior from residents in the tri-state area.
We just talk louder than normal and we are loud talkers to begin with.
Our houses are on 1/3 acres.
The width of my yard is 150 ft.
I sit on my deck and she sits in the middle of her backyard.
We already had this discussion on the previous thread.
Trump announced the cessation of flights to Europe on March 11.
And yes, the locals could have shut down the local airports if the wanted to. (not saying that they should have, just that they could have.)
Traffic has never been shut down from Europe, but the president shut down foreign nationals being able to come to the USA on Friday March 13th at midnight (so basically Saturday). American citizens are free to travel home at any time.
Trump announced the cessation of flights to Europe on March 11.
And yes, the locals could have shut down the local airports if the wanted to. (not saying that they should have, just that they could have.)
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I don’t think the Governors or the Mayors of those states and city had the authority to ban travel from Europe or anywhere else. I think it would have to come, either from the FAA - with approval from the administration or the President via Executive Order.
But, if you can show me a cite(s) where the local governments can ban planes from Europe landing at airports, I will read it.
Back when we had 3 networks plus PBS, and 2 local papers and maybe the NYT or WSJ if we were really curious, we heard from fewer experts, and got fewer points of view. For all the trash talk on TV and Twitter now, I think it’s better to hear more voices.
And the experts disagree. And an expert in one field might not be an expert in another. And an expert might have a hidden agenda.
We have always been sort of an insubordinate nation though, haven’t we? I’m impressed at the level of distance-keeping and mask-wearing I see. And dismayed at the level of violence against those trying to enforce the rules, fluid as those rules might be.
OK. You win. People are suffering for nothing.
Our case rate in Israel has gone down dramatically - there were only 7 new positive diagnoses yesterday, down from a high of nearly 800 at the peak. We’re starting to open back up in stages, with the PM cautioning that if numbers get worse we may have to roll back. Under 250 deaths out of 16,000 + confirmed cases.
The things I credit: Israel was relatively quick to pass travel restrictions. Starting March 9, anyone who arrived from abroad had to self-quarantine for two weeks, and about a week later, non-citizens were barred from entry. When it became apparent people weren’t obeying self-quarantine, we began requiring everyone returning from abroad to quarantine in government-designated hotels (on the government’s dime).
Even before that, Israel was pretty quick to tell people to self-quarantine in the early days of the crisis, well before general lockdowns began. When a someone from a South Korean tour group tested positive, people from a high school group who had visited a historical site at the same time were all told to quarantine. When someone at a soccer game tested positive, his entire section of the stadium was quarantined. And so on. Later on, the government designated hotels for people with mild to moderate COVID who couldn’t safely remain at home - i.e, people who lived with people in a high risk group, people with large families, etc. This was voluntary, but encouraged.
Plus - and I suspect this was really key - the government was really good at isolating individual hotspots and targeting restrictions toward those areas. Something like a third of the COVID cases were from a single, mostly Ultra-Orthodox city. The government put the entire city under total lockdown for a few weeks - no one but some essential workers could leave their homes at all, and the National Guard went door to door delivering food. In a few other localities, including Jerusalem, the did the same thing in individual neighborhoods.
This seems to have stopped things from getting out of control in the same way it has in parts of the US. The big question will be if we can stay safe once, inevitably, international travel is again permitted.
I think it is too late for the US to use these kinds of measures to stop the spread, unfortunately, but there might be neighborhoods, towns or counties where imposing a short-term lockdown might make sense, especially in areas where numbers aren’t already out of control.
Too little too late… and too many stupid people refusing to listen to experts. Bizarre and illogical resistance to lockdowns, masks and social distancing. I am really questioning the sanity of this nation… sigh…