In my area, after a long plateau, we’ve finally finally finally seen a gradual decline, from 423 cases a week a month ago to 93 cases this week, from 92 people in the ICU a month ago to 34 now. We’re just about to crush this thing after two months of staying at home. I feel like we can wait a couple more weeks.
(But I say this while contemplating going on a socially distanced bike ride with a friend, which I haven’t been doing. So I guess I’m a hypocrite.)
Either way, it does not mean that the number of people who can pack one cafe are necessarily that big a portion of the normal (pre-virus) restaurant-going population overall.
However, all of these reports seem to be anecdotes; there is no real information as to how common these long term disabilities in recovered patients are. The number of these anecdotes is large enough that it there is at least the possibility that these bad outcomes are common, but there is no real way for anyone to incorporate the risk of these bad outcomes in assessing personal risk when there is no information at all about how common they are.
Without a vaccine or medical advances that reduce the risk (or at least better define the risk so that many more people can know that they are low risk), fear of the virus itself will continue to choke commerce even if all additional restrictions were lifted.
But your argument was because it was the only restaurant opened and that is why it was packed.
It was packed because the owner and patrons had a different agenda then just wanting to go out to eat for Mother’s Day and it was the only place open.
I’m not interested in what anyone else is doing (at all). I would be a little upset if they came too close to me, but I’d be wearing a mask and moving fast so… As for people turning in their neighbors, I’m not a fan of that at all.
I try to smile at people when I am wearing my mask then realize they can’t see my mouth. LOL. Oh well.
It’s too early to know if these are going to be long term disabilities or with time will heal.
Yes, they are anecdotes now and it will be awhile before we will find out how many people are effected by it. But it is being reported by many people and discussed in the news, so people should be aware, if they are paying any attention at all, of the possibility of these types of effects.
I’m sure it won’t be too long until we start finding out these things through research being done as more and more patients get over the acute stage of the virus.
days business is considered essential. But the folks at his company have mostly been working at home. Of the 140 employees, only 6 have been going to the workplace. All of them have separate offices with doors.
They are formulating a plan for more folks returning to work. This will include staggered hours and days with the remainder of the work done remotely. All doors are now hands free openings. Masks were ordered a while ago, and each employee will get five of them. Continued no public transportation and no work trips without company approval. Any employee traveling OOS for not work related things will be asked to self isolate for 14 days and not work at the workplace during that time.
There are other things too…they anticipate a graded opening. This company does not have the public entering their workplace.
They have no idea how long things will last with this virus. All those who had it are the guinea pigs being assessed as they find things out. It’s only been a week or two (that I’ve seen) since they linked the stuff going on with kids to Covid, esp since some of the kids were totally asymptomatic and it’s only because they tested them for antibodies that they found out they’d had it. Last I heard once they sent out the “beware” they’ve had cases reported from several states with more getting added.
I haven’t kept up on that since middle of last week though - been busy here. If anything has been updated about it, feel free to add or correct.
Meanwhile, I’ll hope my lad can be active and dive again eventually. In our conversation today he brought up that his mind has mulled the “what if it’s permanent” question. People talk about the mental issues with being isolated. I suspect the mental issues of long term damage even with younger folks who have recovered should also be considered.
This is one nasty little virus. If things go back up with reopening or reckless people (whatever cause) it’s going to be a shame knowing all the progress we made was wasted.
I remain hopeful for medical advances. So many look so promising.
@thumper1 Aren’t they worried about HVAC/Heating and enclosed spaces? I’d be less worried about someone staggering their work and more worried about the air and surfaces.
For the lung problems, we don’t know how much healing will happen over time. But for the vascular problems, I think doctors have a better idea: the docs know how well strokes heal on average. I think they probably have a good handle on how well the kidney problems will resolve . But if a hospital is in the middle of a tsunami of patients, it’s hard to step back and write papers.
I expect we’ll be getting a lot more about long term effects over the summer.
@“Cardinal Fang”
I was only addressing the lung issues. And agree with you on why we don’t have the research yet on it.
It might seem to us we’ve been dealing with this virus forever, but it’s really only been a few months and the focus still is on saving people’s lives who have the virus.
Cuomo has talked about the Covid Feet symptom in his last two pressers. 3 young children in NY have died after presenting with this symptom recently.
Another interesting potential treatment: a particular inhaled steroid for asthma, ciclesonide (aka Alvesco). Case reports https://www.jiac-j.com/article/S1341-321X(20)30131-8/pdf. https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(20)30368-2/pdf There are three new trials.
I have been concerned about that, ever since I saw that article with the diagram of which people were infected in a restaurant and workplace.
To answer a previous question about government workers - I guess it depends on the level. To my knowledge, no federal workers have been furloughed, and as many as possible work from home. I don’t think any state employees in my state have been furloughed or laid off. None in my municipality or school system have, either. (Although this is not the case in neighboring school systems.) As an aside, both the municipal and school system employees where I live have complained that they are not getting their raises in the new budget, which I think is bad form right now, when so many have lost their jobs.
And I have a question…are the police officers where people live wearing masks? At an accident scene I saw recently, the firemen responding had N95 masks, but none on the cops. And no social distancing, either. I’ve yet to see a cop anywhere wearing a face mask.
Police officers around NYC are all wearing masks.
Police officers here are wearing masks, also.
Article in today’s NYT about after effects of CV19 in “recovered” patients from Italy.
“We have seen many cases in which people take a long, long time to recover,” said Alessandro Venturi, the director of the San Matteo hospital in the Lombardy town of Pavia, adding that the discomfort often seems to last even longer for people with lighter symptoms. “It’s not the sickness that lasts for 60 days, it is the convalescence,” he said. “It’s a very long convalescence.”
“Most people who catch the virus have few symptoms or none, but some get very sick, most often with pneumonia. Any pneumonia damages the lungs, which can take months to heal, and doctors warn that the harm might not be completely reversible.”
“Studies also point to kidney, heart, liver and neurological damage, often from secondary infections, and no one knows what the long-term prospects are for those patients.
But even some of the infected who have avoided pneumonia describe a maddeningly persistent and unpredictable illness, with unexpected symptoms. Bones feel broken. The senses dull. Stomachs are constantly upset. There are good days and then bad days without apparent rhyme nor reason.“
It’s kind of hard to tell how many police officers are wearing masks when you’re home all day except for a random trip to a store and a snippet of the news?
But in my personal observations: the few times I go to work, I must walk through the police station floor. I’ve never seen a mask on anyone, nor anyone in our building. When I run around town at oh dark thirty, a high percentage of the cars that pass me are policemen. I’ve never seen a mask on any, but I don’t go looking for them either. Maybe I will pay more attention starting tomorrow.
Our police officers are all wearing N95 masks, despite our health care workers not being able to get enough of those.