Please don’t snitch. I understand the urge (truly!) but consider this is all very, very hard as it is on everyone without adding an element of Nazi-Germany-tell-on-your-neighbor into the mix. Nothing good comes of this. It alienates neighbors, digs people’s heels in further against the restrictions, and unless your local police have asked for help or indicated openness to these calls, it adds to a workload that is already taking them longer to get through as well as putting them at risk of viral exposure.
When I see kids breaking quarantine I wonder if they are taking an escape, not only from boredom, but from domestic violence or a household drinking or yelling too much. Or a tiny apartment where they have been cooped up. Just assume they mean no harm.
@rosered55 -no dogs here, but I keep wondering what my cats would do. The cats got used to having us around and complain loudly when we pay no attention to them while working. My grey tiger avatar takes over Mr.’s office chair every time Mr. makes a bathroom run. ? The tortie avatar makes crying noises while carrying her plush toy around like a kitten… the white cat howls like she is about to die…
To compare ANY aspect of COVID-19, whether it’s the responses of state or federal government, the behavior of individuals, reporting to police, ANYTHING, to Nazis Germany is to diminish the horrors that the Nazis regime enacted and diminishes the attempted, government promulgated, genocide of Jews and other groups. There is nothing remotely comparable between COVID-19 and the Nazis - unless, of course, you agree with the sentiments of those white Supremicists protesting shut downs while flying Nazi banners.
I’m wondering why the authorities take a draconian stance against a small business. They are trying to put food on the table. A homeowner throwing a party hasn’t such a necessity.
@Creekland just a word of encouragement I hope.
When I was in my early 30’s I got the flu followed by pneumonia. The whole family had flu, I was last to catch it, and the only one to get pneumonia. I have never been so sick, but drove myself to the doctor and to the imaging center for a chest X-ray. I was not hospitalized but a second chest X-ray a week later was worse instead of better. It took two strong antibiotics to clear up the pneumonia. I vividly remember my doctor telling me in no uncertain terms at the first visit that it would take three months to recover from pneumonia and I needed to rest. I thought he was crazy but he was absolutely right. It was April when I was diagnosed, and it took the entire summer for me to feel myself again. I would feel fine and then suddenly like someone had pulled the plug and I would be exhausted, long after the two courses of antibiotics were done and the symptoms were gone.
Obviously Covid pneumonia is a different and unknown thing, but a few weeks is way too soon to be expecting a full recovery from even a “typical” case of pneumonia. I think there’s plenty of hope yet that your son will fully recover given time. All the best to him.
Today I realized that for the last couple of months (since we started social distancing here) I must not have gone to any places that don’t have automatic doors because today I went to a small bakery that has normal entry doors and was faced for the first time with a weird door entry dilemma. The elderly couple in front of me went through first and the gentleman kindly held the door open for me behind him. To grab the edge of the door so I could hold it and he could let go, I knew I’d be closer to him than 6’, so I hesitated. Should I thank him, get slightly closer than 6’ from him and take the door or wave him on, let the door close and then a second later grab and open it? I didn’t want to crowd them or make them feel uncomfortable and also didn’t want to be rude by turning down his polite door holding.
In the end, I took the door and made sure to pause for a second while they stepped away. But it was awkward.
In areas with a lot of people it feels like we’re all dancing at a distance.
@Creekland, I think your son is trying to do too much too soon.
It took my mom almost a year months to recover from pneumonia that almost killed her and she was in her 50’s and extremely heathy when she got sick. She still can’t be in cold weather because of it and it’s been 30+years.
On one of my tennis pods one of the podcasters got CV19. It’s been about 3 weeks since the worst has been over. She is a runner and now gets badly winded just playing with her kids in the yard. She tried to do a short run but barely got anywhere before she had to stop. She is wondering if her lung capacity will ever get better. The other pod lady (a former pro tennis player) told her she needs to just rest for at least another month or so and start off very, very gradually after that - like with a walk first.
It’s been very interesting listening to her journey through CV19. On top of that she’s had to homeschool her 5 year old twins (though her H did most of that when she was really sick.) Children that young don’t quite get that Mummy has to rest.
This is pretty much what every state is in the process of doing but let’s remember not one person is locked in their house and can’t leave as you are suggesting. Secondly, 1.000s of businesses and industries have been open every single day since March 15th. Manufacturers are working, farmers are growing produce, construction workers are building, teachers are teaching (albeit remotely) accountants are drafting tax returns, supermarkets are selling, restaurants are making to go orders, etc.
Believe it or not commerce is going on every single day but there has to be a balance for the public good between the health of the populous and the opening of at-risk businesses not equipped for social distancing (i.e. a bar, sporting event).
I personally think that under extraordinary conditions, a world wide pandemic, that we are doing about the best we can. As I mentioned before the government is not the enemy: the virus is…
Went to Home Depot, where they turned away those without masks. (Only two befuddled looking would-be customers. Oh well.) Meantime, in a small city south of Denver, a packed – packed! – cafe opened against county orders for Mothers Day. Videos showed not a mask in sight. The owner ranted against tyranny and freedom. She now faces arrest and jail.
The infection is different across the US. Do I personally think it is ok for people in some low infection areas to get together for mother’s day when they have been good about social distancing? Yes. But where I am now (the epic center), I do not think it is a good idea for me to visit my mom or my kids to come visit me on mother’s day. At the same time, I do not think it is a good idea for people to go back to business as usual (opening up restaurants, gyms, spas, salons, night clubs, concerts, etc) when we are still trying to get the virus under control. All you need is to have one person who is infected at one of those high density venues and we would have a hot spot.
For some reason, media coverage of COVID-19 says very little about the rate of long term damage or disability in recovered patients. We read all about death rates from reported deaths and infections, or death rates estimated from attempting to figure out actual deaths and infections compared to reported ones, but many people may be hesitant to through caution into the wind due to additional unknown risk of long term damage or disability that can occur, even if they feel confident that they are in a lower risk group regarding the risk of death.
Of course it is packed if it is the only one open, and all of the people throwing caution into the wind went there. If every restaurant opened, each one would likely have very light patronage due to many people not wanting to go into a restaurant due to fear of the virus.
Since @MomofWildChild works for an essential business and advocates for them a lot, I think that she would heartily agree with you. She’s (and myself and a lot of others) been very appreciative of those who go out every day to keep our country running.
My husband works for an essential business, he and his crew are working very hard. There are lots of rules and regulations and they are working hard to meet them. But they do have to get back to work, not just minimal staffing but back to work. In a safe way.
@katliamom, I say the video from the cafe in Colorado. It’s shocking and appalling. This is what makes me so angry. Most all of us are doing what we can, and trying to figure out and work in this new normal. People like this, make it worse for all of us who do want to follow the rules.
You should google and read the rant the owner posted on the restaurant’s door. The people who were there went for a reason and it wasn’t to celebrate Mother’s Day.
You might be right. I saw it as people not so much throwing caution to the wind as making a statement about laws, “freedom” and our progressive governor. Their T-shirts and hats said as much.
Ive been hearing and reading about effects on “recovered” patients for well over a month now. Those that don’t know about these possible effects either are choosing to be oblivious or are not getting this information from their news sources.
@socaldad2002 , what you wrote is not true in NJ. Manufacturing and construction are not open unless they were deemed “essential” that is a pretty random designation.
However, everyone was wearing a mask today in Home Depot in Paterson, NJ The only person who is consistently not wearing a mask is the owner of the Italian deli where I buy lunch. I did not get enough courage yet to tell him that maybe he is losing some business by behaving like that. Unfortunately, he has the best salads and sandwiches in the area and I want to make sure they will stay in business. What a dilemma!
Issue now seems to be how much damage some people are willing for the economy to suffer pushing the infection rate below R1. Because absent a vaccine, the only way to push it below that is by continuing to choke commerce to the point negative consequences will make doing so more damaging overall than not.
Asking because I don’t know: are government employees still being paid if they’re not working? Federal ones, because the states might vary.