Ah, but see the non-wearers look at it this way: I’m not wearing a mask. If you don’t like that, stay at home.
Re: Those who don’t wear a mask…I try not to politicize it when I see it. I look at that person and assume they have a legit reason for not wearing the mask and I know that I am doing my part to protect them by wearing mine.
I am staying home. I only do curbside pickup. I haven’t been inside a store or restaurant since March 10th.
TBS, the non mask wearer is the one in violation of the law in my state and in many others - which is masks must be worn inside any establishment or if one cannot social distance outside.
I even wear my mask for curbside pickup, on the off chance I need to speak with the person loading stuff into my truck. I usually tell them there is a tip in the truck for them, so I need to roll down my window.
We have a one week trip to the Jersey Shore for mid-September…
So traveling from CT to NJ.
Wondering how these quarantine requirements will impact a one week trip…
@suteiki77 - those quotes you posted can not be interpreted as “nothing to worry about.” He said they were monitoring the situation. Scientists do not have intelligence agents on the ground in foreign hotspots. The WHO was shut out of China. Our own government was not exactly transparent about the information that it gathered. Sure, keep blaming the scientists - that deflects the blame from where it really belongs!!
I don’t think I would have worded it that way, but yes, I guess so? If the Illinois governor were to lose his mind and declare everyone needs to wear a mask 100% of the time when not inside their home?
I am not going to wear a mask when I’m driving alone in my car, or when I’m working in own yard, or when I’m walking my dog in my neighborhood. Why? Because there is no one else near me.
I will have no problem being the only person likely to be wearing a mask at the shooting range tomorrow. Nor did I have any problem being the only person wearing a mask at Gander Outdoor in Wisconsin recently (no customers or employees had masks on, that I observed). When I’m at work, and none of the cooks are wearing masks? I am still wearing my mask because I’m close to other people.
I hope that helps clarify my thinking. I think we agree? 
It all depends on the numbers in the state you will be coming from or returning from. Hopefully, with NY,NJ and CT on the same page we all keep our numbers low.
“Masks and social distancing” are easy to say, but the details of a decision can be complex. Not everyone is in a position where s/he can easily work remotely and can minimize going into indoor public spaces or any crowded public areas (wearing a mask in the rare instances where that is necessary), nor are all organizations (including those in “essential” sectors such as food production and distribution) such that they can be fully effective with social distancing.
For example, what decisions should be made with K-6 education? Should it be the same as the decision made for 7-12 education? College education at commuter schools? College education at residential schools? We have some idea that the risks of getting and transmitting COVID-19 vary across age groups (students, faculty, staff, parents), and we also have some idea that the effectiveness of distance education varies across age groups (and other demographic characteristics) and know that different schools have different abilities to have on-site social distancing.
Better stats will allow more informed decisions.
Everyone doesn’t have the option to stay home. (Some essential workers have to make a living.)
Everyone does have the option to wear a mask. (Except in rare cases)
If we want to open everything back up, we should wear masks.
If we don’t want to wear masks , we shouldn’t open back up.
Unless, of course, we’re historians taking the really long view that civilizations have always survived unchecked pandemics, so no need to worry about any of this.
I’m still looking for my stylish hazmat suit online.
I am not understanding what you are talking about. I do not blame the scientists. I think that our country did not respond properly to the pandemic at first. That improved. now it is a mixed bag of some places responding better and some not and that’s concerning and worrisome. Scientists are the last people I blame for what happened, so I think there is some miscommunication happening.
Fine, you can wait then and advise your friends and loved ones to do the same, until you see results from all the studies regarding CV19.
I’ll go with what I know is already effective and that all the public health officials are recommending. I will also accept medical providers antidotal experiences of the affects some their patients are suffering from.
And we know what has to be done for schools to reopen safely already. The same recommendations for those of us who have to go to work in an office or a plant, store or a restaurant. Masks. Social distancing. Sanitation. And the ability for states/localities to test and trace.
Again, this is not rocket science.
If we don’t get the virus under control we will have to shut everything down again. And we know how to get it under control, so that is what we must do. All this other stuff is meaningless at this time.
And yet you said MULTIPLE times that Fauci was saying the virus was no big deal. How is that not blaming the scientists?!
My kids are 25 and 31. They have seen their closest friends (2 to 3, same people) outside at a park, at least 6 ft apart. They have not gone to a restaurant or had people over. I am the only person who has been to D1’s apartment. She didn’t let D2 and her BF in because they have just moved a week ago.
I would say my kids are probably more strict than me. The frowned at the idea of me going to get my hair cut tomorrow. They think it is a bad idea for me to get my teeth clean now. My rationale is that NYC’s new cases are so low now, it is probably the best time to get my teeth cleaned. The probability of me catching the virus is going to be a lot lower than Sept/Oct/Nov. Any view on this?
It’s so damned simple. Yet people have their little temper tantrums over infringement of their rights. It’s their default mode.
I think we are still having miscommunication. Dr. Fauci was not warning of imminent threat to America when he was interviewed about the virus in January. He was not telling Americans that it was going to become a problem here. In February he did not say we should go into lock down. He did not say lack of testing was allowing the virus to spread across the country and seed many communities and about to cause a big issue. I respect Dr. Fauci. I am not sure what your point is or what your posts are trying to get at. I do think we are not understanding one another. I’m not understanding you, of that I’m pretty certain.
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I would do exactly what you planned. Do it now because the … WILL hit the fan. Mr. B had his haircut. We celebrated graduation with little kid on the patio of a local restaurant to support them. That was before the spike due to protests was expected to hit here.
People should, within reason, be following mask orders and other laws, even if they have doubts about efficacy. That isn’ta reason to criticize someone for asking questions about efficacy. Yes, it is pretty silly to just say, with no evidence “Masks don’t work anyway,” when experts are saying the opposite. It is not silly to wonder about how effective they are compared to other mechanisms, or how effective they are assuming imperfect use, and express hope that this is being studied.
I say within reason, because governments can and do pass silly and, sometimes, downright unjust laws that aren’t worthy of respect. Shortly after getting the results my second negative Corona test, a nurse that called said I couldn’t leave quarantine, including in my own separate room, isolated from my fiancee, until I got official approval from a doctor - even though the sole criteria from being released from quarantine is “has two negative Corona tests taken more than 48 hours apart,” which I had.
I didn’t leave the house until getting the official notice two days later. But you can bet I went over and immediately kissed my fiancee. I don’t see why there would have been any virtue in doing otherwise.
My dentist had a protocol waiting in car until called, masks and social distancing required, etc., entire office had on N95s and face shields, too. Didn’t see any of the other patients because of the way they were controlling the foot traffic. So safer than it has ever been.
From Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security:
STAT News updated its COVID-19 Tracker to enable the display of national, regional, state, and local COVID-19 data for many countries over a variety of time windows, ranging from daily to 1-month averages. The dashboard includes daily and cumulative incidence and deaths and daily recovered cases (total and per capita) as well as daily testing totals. Additionally, the dashboard shows relative changes for the selected time window—eg, relative increase or decrease in the weekly average incidence compared to the previous week.
https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/covid-19-tracker/
Editing to add…
I can pull up the USA, obviously, but also I can pull up Illinois, and within Illinois by county.