Coronavirus thread for June

I’m shocked that June is almost over! It’s not like I’m so busy so strange that the months and days seem like they are flying by. More than usual.

@roycroftmom

I never said that. No one I know of, here or elsewhere, has said that.


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A bit under half of all Texas deaths are nursing homes, and assisted living. That is just SO FAR. Before Texas is fully in the mire. You know who works in these places, right?

One ‘right there, for you to see, etc.’ conspiracy theory begets another.

Since ‘end of life care’ is where healthcare dollars are spent, one could reasonably suspect that states that sent Covid patients to nursing homes are going to see savings down the road.

In the same spirit as your post, why would one assume it was just stupidity that guided their policy?

And FWIW? Besides the ethnicity of the Houston mayor Harris county judge as was pointed out?

Construction, road work, etc. would die in Texas, without the immigrant population. It’s Hispanics out there, on 100 degree days, tying rebar on bridge/road projects… 100 degrees and working over asphalt base.

Wow. He’s going to mess it up for everyone… the honest business owners who are complying with the guidelines as well as all the diners who do want to eat out again. I am all for opening businesses, but if they aren’t willing to do it safely, I won’t be too upset to see their business license revolked.

Herd immunity and a vaccine are both a long ways away. He would be better off experimenting with and tweaking his business model a bit than counting on getting away with cheating for months and months on end.

It’s almost like they don’t want their citizens to know what is really going on. I wonder why that is.

‘How many are sick and how sick are they? Here’s the South Florida COVID-19 hospitalization data the state won’t show you.’

“As new Covid-19 cases in the state hit record highs daily, hospitalizations climb and intensive care beds fill, leaders are becoming increasingly anxious about whether the infection will overtax the local hospital system. But Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration isn’t showing Floridians all they know about how the virus is playing out in its hospitals.”

“The Sun Sentinel has obtained Covid-19 hospitalization information for South Florida from Florida International University where researchers from the university’s Robert Stempel College of Public Health & Social Work have launched the Miami-Dade COVID-19 Trend Tracker, a website dedicated to monitoring the long and short term trends of COVID-19 and its impact on Miami-Dade hospitals. The data is significant because, unlike publicly available state data, it focuses solely on Covid-19 patients and it does so in far more detail.”

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-hidden-health-data-20200625-fxaqlfnlrbgm3ouzrcm55yhaxe-story.html

@syballa, the same fatality pattern is true for NJ, and almost all other states, as well as foreign countries. Deaths are heavily concentrated in the medically fragile elderly nursing home population, as they would be for most illnesses ( hence why they are regarded as medically fragile). That does not mean there is a conspiracy to kill nursing home residents or their caregivers, anywhere. I am truly concerned that a supposedly educated adult would think so. A disproportionate number of doctors and nurses have died as well. That wasn’t the result of a conspiracy either.

One question I always had was when we go through a lockdown/stay at home protocol (however that is defined because we never had 100% of either), and you flatten the curve. Building out some hospital space in the meantime, build up stockpile of PPE, ventilators, etc. Develop some treatments. Learn more about treating patients that improve care/results. Can move medical capacity around as well (Cleveland Clinic sent medical teams to NY and Michigan because they had capacity in Ohio). All well and good.

But when you start to loosen restrictions (whatever metric you use for that), the virus has been seeded throughout the country. Absent a vaccine, won’t you have additional cases once the re-opening happens and continues? And even with a vaccine, you likely still have people getting Covid-19 and dying from it. We still have people die of the flu every year even with vaccines (and some of them got the vaccine). Not sure of the good exit. Seems a little like the end of the movie WarGames with the computer trying to figure out a way to win a nuclear war and in the end concluding the only way to win is not to play. We don’t have the choice at this point though.

Covid deaths are not the only issue though. Vaccination rates are down substantially in certain parts of the country. That will result in increased deaths of kids which otherwise would be prevented. And cancer screenings that are not happening which would reveal treatable cancers. Even regular checkups that are pushed off may well create issues.

TWIV episode 631: “Lots of eggs in the spike basket” was very good, IMO

No time for a re-cap, but I wanted to pop in and recommend.

Texas number today …

Today marked a high for new #coronavirus cases in #Texas, with 5,996. The 14-day average is up 124% from two weeks ago, while testing is up 36%. There were 47 deaths today, the most since May 20.

It was also another new high for hospitalizations in Texas, at 4,739. The positive test rate average is up to 11.76%, the highest since April 16.

Also from Texas …

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836?fbclid=IwAR1pojP8jMuQ-wRoZP5DQXtw06NuE83h3OhdW5mDZ8BZxZ4pXwrSgau5L10

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I’m not sure. I’m only plugged in to about four Illinois restaurants (our household plus some ex-coworkers). To date, I have not heard about any citations issued locally, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening or won’t happen.

I did voice a concern about competitors calling in a complaint about us, if we seat past allowed capacity. I’m definitely odd man out on the team.

No matter, I will need to get a different job anyways. Not going to lose any sleep over it.

@saillakeerie, The plan, which we never executed successfully here but which has been executed elsewhere, is to lock down to drive daily cases down to a low level. At the same time, the plan is to ramp up the ability to test widely. At the same time, the plan is to hire and train an army of contact tracers.

Then, you open up cautiously. People wear masks and distance themselves, to protect everyone. Since you are testing widely, when an outbreak begins, you notice it. Your army of contact tracers finds and isolates contacts of infected people, to break the chain of infection. Cases are kept low. Pretty soon you can open up more and more, because hardly anyone is getting infected, because hardly anyone is infected.

Apparently in the United States we prefer to have hundreds of thousands of people die or get permanent injury, while we have a recession because older people with disposable income don’t want to go out and spend it.

And I believe I made a similar comment, quite a while back, but it was phrased along the lines of…

… shutting down the economy, destroying out children’s future, all because there are some older people who are selfish enough to do so.

I’ve never been told I’ll live forever, or even that I’ve got another 6 months. Evidently, I’ve been talking to the wrong people.

FWIW - an employee in our Houston office just came down with CV-19 this week. We just started allowing up to 5 employees at a time back to the office but now we are back to all remote for everyone. We have a staff of about 30 in that office.

Talking with my colleagues and clients in Texas, they certainly have a different perspective on what precautions to take (or not take) compared to my colleagues in CA. I feel like we work in different countries!

Yes, 47 deaths with COVID today in Texas is sad, @youdon’tsay. I hope the fatality numbers go down and positive social behaviors improve. It is not quite the end of the world, numerically, in a state of 30 million, but maybe it is for you. I wonder how many children were not vaccinated or adults had their early cancer screenings missed?

Regarding 47 COVID deaths in one day in Texas - unfortunately we may have to wait a week to see if this grows exponentially the way it did in March in other parts of the country. @roycroftmom - you say that it’s “not quite the end of the world, numerically, in a state of 30 million” but those deaths were preventable, so it’s pretty awful, if you ask me. Also, 47 deaths is an indicator of many more cases and sadly, many more deaths to come.

The CDC director has opined that we haven’t had 2.3M covid-19 cases in the country so far, but rather something more like 23M. Still a long way from herd immunity even if he’s right, though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/25/coronavirus-cases-10-times-larger/

Well, there were 800 deaths daily in some places much smaller, so I guess it is all relative. As to whether all 47 deaths were “preventable”, I will leave that to the attending physicians to opine.

My friend whose dad died will be comforted that 47 is not quite the end of the world numerically. I’ll be sure to share that perspective with her.