Plus they may permanently lose some customers who don’t like what their seeing, the restaurants choosing to play fast and loose with the rules and their customer’ and employees’ health. Not a good look.
There would have to be close to 200 million infections to get to herd immunity levels. Even if the speculation I had read that the true number of infections in the U.S. is actually closer to 20 million rather than the 2.4 million that is being reported were true, that’s still a long way to go to get the heard immunity levels.
He did, @emilybee. And I know many elderly people who agree with him. Perhaps that is part of why elderly people are more likely to execute DNR orders than younger people,both in this country and many other countries too. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. No one doubts that the elderly are most vulnerable to complication/death from this virus. No one wants them to die. The questions presented to public health authorities are the most effective and targeted methods to protect the elderly vulnerable, and the concurrent cost of those measures on everyone else (not just monetarily, but in terms of opportunities lost, suicide, education denied, etc). I don’t doubt that equation is difficult to balance, and we may all disagree on exactly where one should find the right balance. But to claim any public official is using this as an opportunity to “cull” undesired populations is quite frankly outrageous for anyone to make, and libelous. Could we keep the discussion in the rational 21st century and leave aside theories of divine retribution or politically motivated genocide?
One comment on the recurrent mentions of herd immunity in this thread: That’ll only happen if this is a “recover then you’re immune for life” disease. Not all are, and it’s unclear at this point whether the novel coronavirus is.
So any hope for herd immunity comes with a pretty big asterisk.
Mostly… an unbelted person in a car crash can bounce around the inside of a car and cause injury to others in the car. Or an unbelted driver could bounce out of the driver seat and lose control of the car after an initial bump rather than have a chance to control the car if still belted into the driver seat.
But it is true that the effect on ones’ own safety is the biggest effect with using seat belts, while wearing most kinds of masks for COVID-19 purposes has more external effects than effect on oneself.
Is this the page being referenced?
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6498/1422
In the observations camp, I just got a call pushing my mid-July doctor’s appt. (not an annual but due to a chronic health issue) to mid-August as the offices still are not open for in person visits right now. They say it is Covid-19 related but not sure if it is more driven by cost cutting given that pretty much everything has re-opened in the state from 50% to 100% capacity.
It isn't a conspiracy LOL, it is right there, for your to see, in your own city, in your own state.
etc etc.It was always just a matter of when, not if. If nothing else, us later roll out states had time to prepare, but didn’t. It is going to be seen as shocking in the future.
^^ I just cancelled a routine appointment with my primary care physician (I can check my own blood pressure, thank you very much) and rescheduled as appointment with my endocrinologist (from in-person to video call). Both physicians are now offering telemedicine appointments…which I kind of prefer right now.
Now I just have to figure out the most covid-safe way to get my blood work done.
Since you have already had COVID-19, if that confers even limited duration immunity, that would mean that you would be the least likely person either to get COVID-19 or to be a silent spreader of COVID-19, so (in theory) a mask is less necessary for you than for everyone else. Of course, practicality means that others may not necessarily trust that you have already had COVID-19, so wearing a mask where social distancing is not possible would just be good manners anyway.
Having a DNR because one might someday find themselves non responsive and does not want to continue life as a vegetable so choose that they do not want extraordinary measures to keep them alive, has nothing to do with anything and certainly not why the Lieutenant Gov. said what he said.
He thinks us old people should sacrifice our lives so the economy won’t go in the tank.
I don’t know one old person who wants to die so the economy will be ok for their kids.
I don’t think you are old,@emilybee. And I do know such people, generally in the over 80 range. So now that is settled, we clearly know different people. And while I dislike the Lt.Gov, he put himself in the “willing to sacrifice” group, so I do not doubt his sincerity.
To pretend public officials are engaging in eugenics is both intellectually dishonest and morally reprehensible. I may disagree with many of Cuomo’s decisions, but I never suggested he was trying to kill nursing home residents.,I am sure he was doing his best and what he thought would help. So are Hidalgo ((Stanford, by way) and,Turner (Harvard), and even Abbott, though I disagree with him often.
There was a time when adults could disagree with politicians without claiming they are racist or Nazis or whatever
This is what DeSantis says he will do in Florida.
Of course no public officials are deliberately “engaging in eugenics”, but it is clear that they just don’t care, certainly don’t care enough, about the well being of certain parts of the population.
Remember when a supreme court justice in Wisconsin implied that an outbreak at a meat packing plant wasn’t all that concerning because those were “not regular folks”?
I’ll never forget that.
I’m old. My bucket list is accomplished. My kids are grown and self-sufficient.
I’d absolutely sacrifice myself for my kids. However, they have been extremely forceful in letting me know they feel the quality of their lives will be severely and significantly diminished, in all sorts of ways, if I die from covid.
Just guessing lots of millenials feel that way about their boomer helicopters.
In my area, the idiots who are going about their lives like there is no pandemic in their midst reflect ALL ages. Stupidity can’t be outgrown, it appears.
The young people I am close to, and their friends, are taking precautions and treating the pandemic as the serious threat it is, even if their own personal risks might be less than other age groups.
Well, @greenwitch, it could be the politicians don’t care, but since those dying are most likely to be elderly voters in their favor in many cases, I rather think they do care. Disagreeing about how to fix things doesn’t necessarily mean others do not care. No monopoly on moral superiority.
If someone can explain why you think the racial minority politicians here " do not care" about fellow minorities dying, I am interested to hear that argument.
Interestingly, he did NOT offer himself up as an example.
I went to the eye doctor today because I have a condition they are supposed to be keeping track of and I was originally scheduled for March. The good news they sanitize like mad, they’ve removed latches from the doors and attached things so you can open them with a foot. The bad news they had a 8 or 9 different areas in the waiting room each just barely six feet apart and an amazing number of people seemed to be there with helpers, so the room felt way too crowded to me - and then they kept me waiting almost half an hour and then there was another 20 minutes of waiting to get dilated. Next time I’m going to request they phone me when they are actually ready.
Youngest just reminded me it’s only six months to Christmas…
Of course, he did it by showing me something (funny) on the internet that said, “If you want to save money on Christmas this year now is the perfect time to tell your kids that Santa didn’t make it through the pandemic.” 
It gave us all a chuckle. Hope it does the same for anyone reading.
Then remember it’s “only” six months to Christmas! Apparently time can stand still and fly at the same time. I wonder what we’ll be discussing then. Last Christmas this wasn’t even on my radar as a small blip.