Singapore gave out special masks to everyone, that have to be hand washed every day. Wow. Hand washed. Every day.
I’ll trust the first hand, daily observations of my child and their partner. Perhaps there is a difference in mask wearing practices between more hardcore runners who are likely to frequent running social media and those who don’t.
I’ve posted this before but it is worth repeating regarding the protests.
Boston set up special test sites for protesters. They tested 17,000 who had participated in protests. The positive rate was 2.5%. So the protests had some spread associated with them, but not a huge amount.
As for NY- this is speculation on my part. Before the protests the number of new cases was going down, down, down. Now it is plateauing. So perhaps the protests did not cause a big spike up, but prevented the curve from continuing its downward trend.
Or it could be because many LEOs as indicated by observances in my town and by @MarylandJOE’s story just really aren’t observing good practices re: masks and social distancing. Or other reasons.
I’m not saying the protests didn’t contribute at all, but approximately 83% of reopened businesses in LA County in recent weeks were found not to be in compliance with the rules and a half a million people hit the bars and nightclubs last weekend. Sounds like a recipe for large increases to me.
Are we seriously going to object a directive that in most cases is easily accomplished? Are we’re seriously unable to comply with something that most people all.over.the.friggin.planet can and have easily done? Are we really such snowflakes? What ever happened to Yankee know-how? To our can-do spirit? Are we really so defeated and without will to beat this virus?
Just heard this. High school student returns to Westchester County NY from a trip to Florida to attend her drive thru high school graduation on June 20. Then attends a couple parties with low mask compliance. She tests positive a few days later and by June 26, 4 other party-goers are positive as well. Anyone attending these parties have been asked to self quarantine until July 5. The spread was very quick in this instance.
First let me sincerely apologise if I in any way alluded to doctors not working hard everyday and getting their hands dirty. Absolutely they are on the front lines more so than many other “essential workers”, nurses right there with them.
When I think of “regular working people” I hardly think of doctors though, I think of the average “Joe”, pun intended. Anyone (doctor) with that much shear determination and specialized education is a little super human in my book.
My comment was based on employees where I work that tend to be mostly blue collar, technical employees with some engineers sprinkled in for good measure. I don’t want to disparage any of the engineers here either. We love to tease them though and I do hope my son starting college this fall ends up becoming one. I’m sure I’ll tease him too.
Of course the spread was quick. We know it’s highly contagious. That is why people need to wear masks and social distance.
Also points to a smart decision by NY/NJ/CT issuing quarantine mandate after travel from specific states.
This incident happened before the quarantine was announced.
At least the tracing in place is working, so far.
If you are talking about NY’s mishandling of the virus because we were the first one got hit because we didn’t know better, then fine, but the difference is we were able to learn and we quickly figured it out what we had to do to contain it. I looked out my windows everyday for 3+ months and barely saw any cars or people on the street.
What excuse would you give for FL, TX, TN, AZ? After looking at such mishandling at NY that they didn’t learn anything from it? Oh wait, it is because we are in the sunshine states, the UV ray would kill the virus, or they just knew better about calculated risk. Where is that Florida poster now? The one who constantly posted about how they’ve been going about their normal lives and their numbers continued to be low.
As far as all of those protests, I don’t think many of us thought it was a smart thing to do. This whole thing has been a science test. I for one thought there would have been a huge uptick in NYC after all of those protests, but we didn’t. The states that opened up without a lot of guidelines with 100% occupancy at bars have seen exponential upticks. I think this tells us that outdoor gatherings are much safer than indoor gatherings. This is good news for us. It means we could get together with people outdoor at a safe distance with lower chance of infection.
I’ll never understand why parents allow their kids to go to these parties. We know of several HS grad parties where 20 to 40 kids have tested positive. Parents, stop being your kid’s friends and lay down the law. “No, you’re not going, period!” Who cares what photo ops you/they missed. It’s all so trivial in the big picture. I have a HS grad who is missing all this stuff. She understands the big picture.
Really? We’re going there… again. It’s New York’s “fault” that they were hit so hard in a situation where there was…
- a very dense population with excess hospitalizations due to the ongoing flu season
- virtually no testing available
- no knowledge of what treatment might be effective
- major lack of adequate PPE (,My cousin, an ophthalmologist in his 60’s, was asked to come in and help, but was advised to bring his own garbage bags to wear)
- health experts advising people NOT to wear masks
Please. Stop. Now.
Denver did too and no large increase in covid cases, except for the teens in the mountains who partied up a storm with no masks and social distancing and increased our numbers. They weren’t protesting. They were being jerks who partied.
And as long as we’re on the subject of protests.
No one allowed BLM protests thinking they were somehow safe (even though a lot of masks were worn.)
No one allowed the SIP protests by armed militia types thinking they were somehow safe (especially since no masks were worn)
Those protests were allowed so as not to pour gasoline on a fire.
And guess what? That was the right decision, as there does not appear to be a link between protests and sharp covid increases. The people had their say, and we all moved on.
So just because YOU’re trying to equate covid increases to protests doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, in fact, the opposite.
Like “it’s no worse than the flu” that argument’s time has come and gone.
Daughter just had a ZOOM meeting with a few people at Penn. They said everyone in Philadelphia is wearing masks. They’re scientists, so maybe like the runners they’re just part of more cautious/knowledgeable circles.
Let’s not forget being completely unaware that CV 19 was coming into the metro area from Europe in January/February and half of the month of March. 3 million people flew into JFK and Newark from Europe during that time period.
I love how people who live in states with more of a covid warning, less density and worse outcomes criticize NY. Hutzpah.
I must know more social scientists. My husband works at a medical school and my neighborhood is littered with medical researchers and doctors.
We had a lot of wine and beer tastings pre-Covid. The scientists are mostly isolating, but one guy who has a double lot did have a music jam in his yard (he has a double lot) a couple of weeks ago. The musicians stayed 10 feet or so apart mostly without mask. The rest sat round the yard some with, some without mask, but all at a decent distance from each other. We didn’t stay long, but that was partly because we don’t like jazz and we had a virtual game meeting with our kids sceduled.
I know which side of the political divide I fall on this, but I will say that I have thought that many of the prohibitions made little sense - even when we knew less about the virus than we do now. Prime example being closing down golf courses. I don’t like golf so I had no dog in this fight, but I could not see how golf - especially without carts - could possibly be an issue.
I have also observed a lax attitude among LEO’s when it comes to masks and SD.
However, I don’t see how that would contribute to the acceptances of large gatherings post BLM protests.
Policy as to how to deal with those protests came from governors, mayors, city councils and city managers in addition to LE. LE was told to allow gatherings in these numbers despite the fact it was against SIP rules. Mayors, governors and council members came out to support the value of these marches thus sanctioning the crowd size. Often LE was not controlling the crowd but rather in with the crowd.
Your average under developed brain, in the 18-25 year old crowd, observes the governor, mayor, the police chief, ministers and HCP support activities they have specifically identified as dangerous, declared illegal and categorized those who partake as selfish and working against the common good. Yet, the very people who had been issuing the warnings and rules were now partaking in such dangerous, illegal and immoral activities. The same activities about which the MSM daily explained the danger.
How can you now expect that underdeveloped brain to say to itself ‘oh, it’s okay for them for that reason, but it’s still bad and dangerous if I undertake the same risks’.
Even the under developed brain can sniff hypocrisy. And developed brains will fight against it.
At the very least, the 18 year old isn’t going to understand the danger to society posed by a drive thru graduation or even an outdoor, in person graduation - with SD, masks and no hooping, hollering or chanting.
When I read this message i focused more on the underlying message I personally heard. I read that maybe NYC has had so many infections that the virus is having a harder time spreading there. I personally think this is a possibility in many of the northeast states. Maybe I’m totally off base here.
Then it should have been written like this:
So much of NY has already been infected as they were hit so hard with the virus, maybe that’s the answer.
The words “so badly mishandled” were chosen on purpose.
Regardless, in a city of over 8 million people, I highly doubt the number already infected would have any affect in limiting cases and spread from the protests.
Too many people still have no immunity to CV19 even in areas crushed by the virus.