They also may have eaten together during breaks or just hung out together without masks during breaks/ before their work day started. A more likely means of transmission than from objects at the shop.
How much risk of transmission is surface contamination? Seems that there are very few cases of transmission through surface contamination, but lots of people have become paranoid about surface contamination over the last few months, so that may have affected the likelihood of transmission through surface contamination.
One estimate I heard (on TWiV) was that 10% of infections came from fomites (surface contamination), 45% aerosol, 45% droplets (both inhaled). I don’t know if there was a study or if it’s a guess. The hosts didn’t know either.
Still, that would mean more than 200,000 people in the US alone caught it from fomites. I’m not ready to stop washing my hands for that!
Not ignoring the admonition to move off the obesity discussion. Just adding to something that I posted that should be considered on topic for the thread.
The UK analysis I saw a number of weeks back, wasn’t exactly formatted for bullet points. Instead, it looked like the product of people who were extremely leery of summing up what it suggested. If requested, I’ll find it again but…
There were maybe 7000 deaths looked at and deaths were pretty much correlated to BMI. No deaths of people with what’s considered a healthy BMI, and an increasing correlation of death/BMI as you move up the range.
Some details on the rest of the NBA season:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story//id/29267294/source-nba-approves-plan-return-orlando
https://www.espn.com/nba/story//id/29267080/what-know-know-nba-return-play
- 22 teams will go to the Walt Disney Resort in Orlando to play 8 more regular season games. Then 16-18 teams will enter the playoffs -- if the 9th seeds are within 4 games of the 8th seeds, they will play 2 games, with the 9th seed needing to win both to replace the 8th seed in the playoffs. The 22 teams are those who were in playoff position or within 6 games of the lowest playoff seeds.
- Each team will bring up to 35 people to Orlando. All teams will enter a "bubble", staying in one hotel, with limited access to those outside.
- Daily COVID-19 testing for everyone within the bubble.
No, I didn’t see it. I haven’t been here in a while, came and read some posts, did not have time to read all the posts I had not yet read which included your Moderator’s Note to move on from that topic. Had I seen that, would not have posted. It is not always possible for me to read all post here. Sometimes that would be pages and pages of posts. If I start from the end and work backwards I can also end up missing Moderator’s Notes. However, there haven’t been any moderators notes or very few in quite some time. I think what I posted was polite and that there wasn’t anything wrong with it in general. However, as I said, I would not have posted had I read your note first.
Unfortunately for those around you if you are an asymptomatic spreader, even talking and breathing can spread the virus.
Interesting. I think that is very encouraging. I do think it is possible some were exposed and were asymptomatic, though, since they only tested about 42 of 140 people exposed. But still, no one became actively sick. Great!!!
Since I learned I am immune deficient, I have been very cautious about not touching my face. I try to avoid touching common objects out in the world and open doors by letting the sleeve of my jacket overhang my hand and things like that, but often that wasn’t possible so I was just very vigilant about not touching my eyes, nose, or mouth and washing my hands before doing anything that involved eating or touching my face and washing afterward. I cut down how much I got sick so significantly, I was actually getting sick much less than coworkers who have normal immune systems. So, I think that surface transmission is a thing for most illnesses. However, I did not do things I’m doing now such as worry whether the mail could have the virus on it, or items from the grocery store, etc. I would like to know what is safe enough. My immunologist recommends I continue being careful with the mail, groceries, and anything I bring into the house. And that advice seems to be what many immunologist (or most) are recommending to their immune deficient patients.
If I were not immune deficient maybe I wouldn’t take as many pains to be careful with possible surface transmission but given my experience I do think that surface transmission is likely also a thing with this virus.
I would like to know what is thought to be the cause of spread. I know a lot of people are getting it from people in the same household, work exposure, etc. But at one point Cuomo said that New Yorkers who were getting sick were mainly people staying home. So, how did those people staying home get it? At the store? Touching elevator buttons and touching their noses? I wonder if they found a likely source of infection for those people.
Do you remember previously hearing asymptomatic spread was common? I remember hearing that. I wonder why they thought it was common and now think it isn’t. Strange.
My take on spread.
A quiet, asymptomatic person with no symptoms = almost no to zero spreading
Asymptomatic person who always yells, sings, screams… = likely a spreader
Asymptomatic person with an allergy that makes her sneeze all the time = yikes
Wasn’t the superspreader bartender in Italy asymptomatic? And also the superspreader at the Biogen conference?
I’m skeptical of this proclamation.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/08/emergency-covid-19-measures-prevented-more-than-500-million-infections-study-finds/ One of the researchers is on Rachel Maddow’s show tonight.
Apparently there was a super spreader in NJ…
A dozen new confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Pennsylvania were traced to recent Jersey Shore “beach house gatherings,” the Bucks County Department of Health announced this weekend.
The county Health Department reported 33 new coronavirus cases Saturday, including 11 that can be traced back to a New Jersey resident “who attended multiple house gatherings at the shore during the past two weeks.”
I hope they can come up with a way to determine who these spreaders are and stop them until they recover. Is it just because they go to multiple events even though they are sick (or do they even feel sick?) or is there something about their bodies that spread it when others don’t?
I have to admit that any reduction in public singing is personally an upside, being someone just incredibly annoyed by public singing at events that aren’t specifically and only for the purpose of listening to a singer ( e.g. going to a concert vs going to a graduation and having to sit through “a wonderful song from our student choir”.) Sorry all you lovers of song, but I’m rooting ( silently) for this to be a casualty of the pandemic. Probably won’t happen but a girl can dream.
I’m going to. be wearing masks outside of the house, around others for awhile now. Till next year this time if COVID19 fades away. Whether it gives me any protection or not, I feel like it does. i think I’ll continue wearing during RSV season
They think it maybe multi generation household where younger people were working and then brought the virus home. Most of them were lower income and minorities. At the same time, there were lower infection rates among Asian families and it may be due to the fact they took the pandemic more seriously (wore masks and stayed home). Many Asians in the tri-state area were warned by their families and friends back home.
Could be that in earlier times, “asymptomatic” was used in a way that included presymptomatic infected people – meaning those who will later develop symptoms, but are quietly contagious a few days before developing symptoms.
If we restrict “asymptomatic” to describe people who never develop symptoms, then that excludes the contagious presymptomatic people from the claim that asymptomatic people are unlikely to be contagious at all.
One of the few people who came down with COVID19 was a very careful woman who hardly ventured out, took precautions. But she did have family over, and one of the young people did inadvertently come closer to her than social distancing dictates. And he was COVID+, no symptoms, but had been around someone who had gone to some gathering. Apparently, the health authorities traced the source on this one. Ironically, no one else there that day tested positive, nor did anyone get any symptoms. The entire family did get tested when my acquaintance was hospitalized and diagnosed with COVID19. She still is having a rough time with symptoms, though she was never in serious condition, not was she vented. Hopefully, this bout confers some immunity into her
I’ve not been as careful as she has been. Though I keep a social distance from everyone except those in my home, my family not be all that careful when they are out. We all wear masks and wash hands frequently. But there are occasional breaches of social distancing. I don’t wear gloves anymore, and I notice a lot of folks out there, including store employees, food establishment workers do not either. Yes, it is possible I can catch it, and/or family members too. I think that we are from NY and people here know it make them more cautious around us than usual. However, given how few cases there have been here, most people and businesses are taking care, and obeying social distancing and sanitary advice. I’m glad.
I think a lot of us would like to know. I think if you are in NYC, it’s pretty hard not to have some exposure. Don’t forget laundries as another possible source. I have friends who are afraid to get in the elevator because someone else might join them. There’s just a kajillion ways to get breathed on even if you are scrupulous about cleaning surfaces.