Please don’t mistake me for a partisan. When the government lies and deflects, I point it out, when the WHO is unclear and contradicts itself from 1 day to another, I point it out. They are mutually exclusive.
How was her statement clarified? It was repudiated. Please reread my post… Dr Ryan contradicted (instead of clarified) what Dr Van Kerkhove said. They work for the same place and have access to the same information. Clarification would be to focus on the difference between a truly asymptomatic person vs a pre-symptomatic person. That’s not what he did.
Dr Ryan- today:
Asymptomatic spread of the coronavirus does occur, Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s emergencies program, said during the Q&A. However, the portion of asymptomatic individuals who transmit the virus remains a “big open question.”
“There is much to be answered on this. There is much that is unknown,” he added. “It’s clear that both symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals are part of the transmission cycle. The question is what is the relative contribution of each group to overall number of cases.”
An asymptomatic person is someone with Covid-19 who doesn’t have symptoms and never develops symptoms. It’s not the same as someone who later develops symptoms, who would be classified as pre-symptomatic, WHO officials said.
Dr Van Kerkhove yesterday:
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. It’s very rare. We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she said. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.”
Pretty sure that’s exactly what people have decided, that the pandemic is over.
It remains to be seen if it actually is ?
Had a discussion with my neighbors yesterday while having a drink outside on their porch. They think I’m being crazy observant on coronavirus. Here I’m very much in the middle. Depends on your perspective.
My club won’t even permit doubles tennis play yet. I keep telling them that if you’re closer than 6 feet from your partner, you are playing the game wrong.
I posted a while back about the low testing/low positive rates here in Oregon. Well since then we have doubled our new cases per day for the past 4 days. There is a large outbreak at a seafood processing plant and another outbreak at a rehab facility. And an uptick in hospitalizations.
My question. One of the health officials said this "I wouldn’t say we’re seeing a clear upward trend at this point outside of the workplace outbreaks,” It seems to me that workplace outbreaks are clear indicators that the virus is spreading. Why are they “discounted”? I’ve seen it on this thread too, where for some reason workplace, prison, and nursing home outbreaks aren’t seen as community spread. People who get it at work aren’t being isolated at work; they live in the community, their family members shop, etc. Other workers are being tested but not the surrounding community. If it were me. . . I’d be testing the whole town!
There’s going to be a lot of peer pressure from people who want to think that COVID is over, because wearing a mask denies that.
Even in states where cases are going down, there are still a lot of cases, and relaxing things is going to make them go up again. I don’t see how that could not be true.
I was in the ER yesterday for something else. My town hasn’t had a case in two weeks. But the ER nurse told me they are seeing “plenty of COVID.”
Opening to some extent may be necessary for now. People are hungry. But loosening restrictions and the protests combined are going to cause more problems.
If people are in denial, then the slowness of reopening won’t even help. People are jumping from point A to Z when we need to go from A to B to C…
According to the New Haven Register, there have been over 2800 COVID deaths in nursing homes in the state. That’s more than 2/3 of the total deaths in the state. I can’t figure out if there is a safe way to have elderly patients in nursing homes during the pandemic — has anyone seen information suggesting that there are places that have controlled the spread, once it has been introduced?
Palm Beach County identified cases have gone up 22% in the last week, after going up 15% the week before.
Palm Beach County also has a high test positivity overall, almost 9%. Possibly the positivity might have gone down lately; I can’t find that data. High positivity suggests there are a lot of cases that aren’t being detected.
This does not suggest to me that the pandemic is over.
For comparison, my county’s cases went up 5% last week, and test positivity is hovering around 1%.
@CIEE83 , I hope so. The nursing home associated with my mom’s senior living community shows 10 cases. Last I heard only 1 or maybe 2 of those were residents, the rest staff. No fatalities so far.
My mom had been in Independent living, then went to the hospital (Failure to thrive is what my Dr. friend says, loneliness, isolation and depression from the quarantine) and is now in the rehab part of the nursing home. She was quarantined until her negative test result came back after she left the hospital.
Tennessee got hit hard early in nursing homes, and has been very active in testing and monitoring PPE use since. She should be back in her apartment later this week.
Santa Clara County posts information on covid in long term care facilities. There are a few places with big outbreaks: 63 residents and 37 staffers tested positive in one facility, for example. If the numbers are small, they just say <11. There are a lot of places with <11 staffers infected and 0 residents infected. There are a lot of places with <11 staffers and <11 residents infected. That suggests spread has been limited in these facilities.
I believe our county sends some kind of swat team when cases are detected at a long term care facility. I don’t know the details.
Some people may have decided that. Probably nowhere near all.
It is in New Zealand, which has no more active cases of COVID-19 and is doing a full domestic reopening, but retaining inbound travel restrictions.
In the US, we are probably transitioning to the worst of both worlds scenario, where COVID-19 is basically uncontrolled because enough people have given up on trying to control it, but the economy will not recover much because many people do not want to get COVID-19 and will thus limit their economic activity (plus some who do so because they get it and die or become disabled).
20,000 marching shoulder to shoulder. It’s impossible to justify your right to march with your hair dresser, sushi chef, personal trainer, fellow gym members - all the while chanting, singing and talking - while at the same time making it illegal to avail yourselves of their professional services.
Right now I’m sitting outside a Honda dealership waiting on my overdue oil change and service. Naturally I picked the hottest day of the year with heat warnings, but I can see inside people are dropping masks and passing within 6 feet, signs notwithstanding. All staff are in masks and they have plexiglass shields at the service desks.
After this I’ll stop for gas for the first time since March. Not driving much!
I think the two weeks of protests has signaled to a majority of Americans that they can leave their homes. The 24 hour news cycle is no longer perseverating on the virus. Good weather is here, people have been sheltering for months and virtually no elected officials are calling out the tens of thousands of people in the streets for their lack of social distancing during a pandemic. It’s one big perfect storm.
Yes, @dietz199 and not one public health person stood up and said “The virus doesn’t care why you’re protesting”, “the virus doesn’t care about your good intentions”. Dr. Fauci was silent. In two weeks, the only statement I’ve seen has been the public health director asking people at the protests to get a COVID test. A very weak statement a little late.
Don’t get me wrong. I will continue to protect myself. But the experts seem to have given in when it came to the protests.
I don’t see how the city or state can continue to prohibit any crowd activity after not prohibiting crowds in the street. A crowd in the street is the same as a crowd at a stadium.
Agree on the last paragraph. Disagree on Fauci - he has not been silent. here’s an example, and this isn’t the first time I’ve heard him speak about the protest risks:
Dr. Anthony Fauci on Friday said he is “very concerned” that mass protests held over the police-involved death of George Floyd will spark a coronavirus resurgence.
“It is the perfect set up for the spread of the virus in the sense of creating some blips which might turn into some surges,” Fauci said in an interview on WTOP, a Washington, D.C. radio station. “There certainly is a risk.”
Fauci said he wishes more was being done to caution the protesters about the risks of increased spread of the virus, which has caused nearly 110,000 deaths in the U.S.
“It’s a difficult situation. We have the right to peacefully demonstrate and the demonstrators are exercising that right,” Fauci said in the interview.
“It’s a delicate balance because the reasons for demonstrating are valid and yet the demonstration itself puts one at an additional risk,” he continued.
Fauci also suggested avoiding demonstrations “if you can. If you can’t, make sure you wear a mask.”
As stated above, at least one elected official has decided to ignore the pandemic because doing so paves the way for him to resume large in-person campaign rallies.
I agree that protesting might result in the spread of COVID-19. Other things that might: going to the gym, going out for pizza every day, holding anti-stay-at-home-order rallies, attending in-person church services, attending graduation parties, working at a meat-packing plant, etc.
My point is that people of all political persuasions are doing things, some willingly, some not, some with criticism, some without, that could lead to the virus spreading.