The Jewel Osco where I shop has removed the one way signs/floor stickers for the aisles.
Ohio’s Director of the Department of Health, Amy Acton, MD, MPH, resigned today. She is staying on DeWine’s team as the chief health advisor, but for now, the Director of the Department is now an attorney. Sigh.
The school where I work had graduation indoors teachers and staff in the gym and one student coming every 3 min to get their certificate. Students did not have to wear masks as it would ruin pictures but teachers and staff did. All had to maintain strict social distancing. I was going to go when it was going to be an outside reverse parade but 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hours in a big room with a bunch of people who won’t all keep their masks on 100% of the time and will be yelling and cheering for students who are not in masks doesn’t sound like a great thing for me given immune deficiency. +
The Orange County Health Director resigned a couple of days ago. She had been getting death threats because she was requiring that people wear masks. She had a security detail assigned to her, but ultimately she decided that the job was not worth risking her safety. Ugh.
Here’s another relatively recent poll:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/cnn-poll-coronavirus/index.html
It does Covid too, not just politics. 49% of all Americans feel comfortable returning to their routine.
Of course, that means 51% do not (MoE is +/- 7.4) and that’s likely why the stock market went down significantly. Even allowing for +7.4, <60% of people going back to normal spending doesn’t keep the economy rolling.
It doesn’t really matter if everything is open if people won’t go there, and people won’t go there if they don’t feel safe.
This poll is from June 2-5 or almost a week ago and before multiple places started with spikes. Who knows how that’s affecting numbers, but I doubt it’s positive for the economy.
Yea, this is a toughie. I thought maybe your son was a little guy – awww, remember how cute they were when they were 7-8?
Horrible. I was just coming back to comment on the mask study cardinal fang posted today. Very interesting. Masks work!! They help slow the spread to a RO lower than 1 if 50% or more wear them, even cloth masks!!
That’s great! What you posted, though, not so great. I wish all those people would read the above link.
That’s interesting and a bit surprising in that it seems high to me in terms of how many feel comfortable.
I’m guessing this varies a lot based on finances, risk to finances, career, and how risky the career is. It seems a much higher % of teacher than 51% are concerned.
I agree, but judging from what I am seeing in Palm Beach County, people are basically ready to put the COVID scare behind them and start living life again.
If people really believe that others will refrain from doing things out of fear of the virus, or some sense that they are doing something noble by not potentially exposing others, then why the need for coercion? Let the public citizenry estimate the risks on an individual basis and act accordingly. Without doubt, the collective wisdom of millions of individuals expressed voluntarily will be better than that of a few handpicked government experts and party line scientists, and of course of politicians.
Trust the people, not the “masterminds” who never saw this coming.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/ngcg634q9k/econTabReport.pdf is a survey taken of 1,500 US adult citizens on June 7-9, 2020.
Questions 47 to 63 are the COVID-19-specific ones. Most of the rest are explicitly political questions on other topics (though COVID-19 is part of the subject matter on a few of them).
Some selected questions:
- People I Know – Has Been Laid Off from Work Due to COVID-19 10% me, 23% family member, 26% close friend, 48% no
- People I Know – Has Tested Positive for COVID-19 1% me, 8% family member, 13% close friend, 75% no
- People I Know – Has Died Due to Complications from COVID-19 3% family member, 8% close friend, 86% no
- Personal Worry about COVID-19 20% very worried, 38% somewhat worried, 28% not to worried, 14% not worried at all
56 Length of Social Distancing (when do you think it will be safe to end social distancing measures and reopen businesses as normal?)
19% safe right now, 4% in about two weeks, 12% in a month or so, 27% in several months, 20% in about a year or longer, 18% not sure
- End Social Distancing by September 1 35% before or by September 1, 47% after September 1, 18% not sure
- Time Before Reopening Economy (hen do you think it will be safe to fully reopen the economy nationally?) 21% safe right now, 5% in about two weeks, 12% in a month or so, 26% in several months, 19% in about a year or longer, 18% not sure
- Likelihood of an Increase in COVID-19 Cases (due to reopening) 37% very likely, 29% somewhat likely, 14% not very likely, 8% not likely at all, 13% not sure
- Death Statistics (opinion on accuracy) 41% more people have died, 13% government numbers are accurate, 25% fewer people have died, 21% don't know
- Respondents Biggest Concern 62% protecting Americans from the health effects of the COVID-19 outbreak, 38% protecting Americans from the economic effects of the COVID-19 outbreak
I haven’t polled teachers here nor am I friends with all at my school, but I know many are concerned.
I could see 49% being close to accurate because the question says “your routine.” People tend to feel safe with what they do because they’ve always been safe. Bad things happen elsewhere. It likely means they’re staying within a bubble rather than doing new things they might have done without covid. That said, I know some people around here who are totally back to normal, so maybe. I don’t know if it’s 50% or not.
Most I talk with aren’t 100%, but are doing small things here and there - seeing relatives, and stuff like that. They wouldn’t go to the movies, but they might have close friends or family over for Netflix.
Well, by definition you aren’t seeing those who are choosing not to be out and about. Couple that with “Birds of a feather, flock together,” and your experiences aren’t a surprise to me.
I work in an average public school. There’s no way in the world I’m “trusting the people.” I see how much false “knowledge” is out there based upon who knows what and it crosses the spectrum of topics.
“The people” didn’t see this coming either.
I learned that noon on a beautiful sunny day is an excellent time to go grocery shopping. No line to get in Trader Joe’s, carts wiped at the entrance, everyone in masks, one way arrows. There were social distancing issues when people darted in to grab something (because others were pondering their selection), and at the aisle turns. I just turned my head and moved fast.
At Von’s (our Safeway), there was an employee at the entrance to the courtyard between the two halves of the stores checking for masks and offering hand sanitizer (I wear gloves to make it easy). The middle age couple in front of me was not wearing masks, wife pulled one out and put it on, husband turned away. Perhaps they thought since the beaches are now open that masks aren’t necessary? The store was almost empty. The side with all the produce islands had no arrows, but the other side with aisles did. One checkout was closed because it was being wiped down.
A bunch of stuff is allowed to open tomorrow, like gyms, museums, hotels, and zoos. All theoretically under mask and distance protocols. In general in San Diego, people are relatively observant (except for those crazy kids, ya know). It’s an outdoor culture, which helps - it seems like almost every restaurant already has outdoor seating. But people still get confused about the state requirements that are still in effect, and the counties being allowed to gradually lift restrictions and open more and more.
With the zoo and USS Midway opening, I expect the tourists to start arriving. But we normally have a large share of foreign visitors, so it will be interesting to see how busy the tourist areas will be with locals and people driving in.
Italy eases lockdown measures to allow sports, summer camps and kindergartens to resume
From CNN’s Livia Borghese
Italy is further easing its coronavirus lockdown measures to allow professional sporting events, such as the Coppa Italia football match, to resume behind closed doors starting Friday, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said in a news conference Thursday night.
Other establishments can also reopen starting June 25, including summer camps, kindergartens, betting rooms, and bingo halls, Conte said, announcing that he had just signed a decree that eases further the lockdown measures. Non-professional sports that involve physical contact may also resume.
Local officials will be able to assess the viability of restarting these activities given the number of coronavirus cases in each region. Fairs, convention centers, and nightclubs with dancing will not be permitted to restart their activities until July 14.
Italy has been on a nationwide lockdown since March 9.
Conte also announced the expansion of Italy’s contact tracing program. Starting Monday, a contact tracing app that has been tested in four regions will be implemented nationwide.
“Citizens can download the app in great security…it protects privacy," Conte said. “We are proud of this app that grants a further service to citizens and we were the first in Europe to have reached this result that is very sophisticated from a technical point of view."
@ucbalumnus Thanks! That link goes into a ton of detail. It’s eerily similar to the poll I answered today. Now I’m going back to the link to see how “typical” I am.
Scheduled my routine mammogram as well as the routine screening colonoscopy today.
The colonoscopy procedure will require a COVID test before hand. This facility is known for asking a patient to coming in 60 minutes before the actual procedure to ‘fill out paperwork’. That takes about 5 minutes - which leaves up to three people in the waiting room for the other 55 minutes. I’m assuming they will have changed this modus operandi. I’ll ask when they call with details.
Glaucoma check next week.
I feel like an old car.
Mask wearing around my area is very high. Some folks still expose their nose. Oh well.
LOL!
went to get a covid test today as I am visiting my mom in a few days and I want to be extra sure that I am negative at least right now. Yes, I know that you can be fine one day and sick the next, but trying my best. In this case I will stay home now until I leave. She was begging me to come see her. I also need a checkup anyway as I am on some meds. My pulseox was 99 , and my BP was very good, so thats the good news. I asked about if they have many Covid patients and they said very few.
Interesting to see the numbers in my area. I am in GA, but where I live north of Atlanta the numbers continue to go down. The two zip codes that make up my town of 100K people have had around 230 cases total since this started and 34 deaths total, of which the majority were over the age of 65. Other similar areas around me have also had not many cases. New stats are previous 14 days and current 14 days . I wear masks , but I do go about my life here. I do see friends, and have been in a few of their homes agreed upon by both parties. i think if we had more cases, or increases like other areas, I would scale back.
Just an observation. It’s hard to goose neck as I drive, much less whip out the measuring tape.
But it looks like some of the restaurants in our area (NE Illinois) are maybe putting tables six feet apart, but the people seated at the tables are not six feet or greater apart.
Some of the restaurants that have garage door style front windows are seating “inside” with the door/window open.
Lots of restaurants have erected large outdoor tents in parking lots to allow more outdoor seating.
I noticed a lot of traffic on the roads today.
There have been experts warning us about just this very thing. It’s not true that no one saw it coming.