Just think, about a month ago we saw some vids of police dragging nice, law abiding citizens off buses for not wearing a mask, lol.
It is amazing that many people on here actually thought a few months ago that the police could ever enforce a lockdown. For better or worse - and actually it is mostly for the better - Americans are a recalcitrant people. This is not Western Europe or South Korea, and that is a good thing in my opinion.
That person didn’t get the virus from the Ozarks gathering, he brought it TO the gathering.
So far I haven’t read anything about an outbreak stemming from Memorial Day outings either.
When people talk about this virus being affected by the summer and we see dwindling cases etc, does that mean it is less likely to have a second wave in the fall? Or a less aggressive wave?
A much less aggressive second wave in my opinion. If the media chooses not to focus on it, then we probably won’t even notice it.
XLC news:
(Chicago, IL)
Long term care facilities in Illinois continue to make up a small amount of total Coronavirus cases, but a majority of fatalities.
The Illinois Department of Public Health released numbers from May 29th. Those numbers showed that Lake County nursing homes made up about 15.5% of the county’s total cases, but 61% of county fatalities.
Statewide, nursing home outbreaks make up 14.5% of all Coronavirus instances, but 52% of it’s deaths. That number is up from last week. Long term care stats are released weekly by public health officials.
Or the media could continue to hype it as the end of the world.
That’s not happened with the second wave of the 1918 flu-it was far deadlier.
Hoping that’s not what is in our future, but of course, none of us have a crystal ball.
But it is what happened with the HK flu pandemic of 68 in the US, which this more closely resembles
It’s also possible the nursing home numbers are higher, because if a resident is moved to a hospital and ultimately dies there, my understanding is that death is not included in the nursing home numbers.
Let’s hope. I’m sick of this.
What I’m observing -
I had to go to our local lab, affiliated with the largest hospital in the county, for bloodwork. Three healthcare workers met me at the entrance, asked the usual questions, and took my temperature. Are there really people who would enter knowing they have a temperature? And how would you not know you have a temperature?
Anyway, then on to checkin. Markers were on the floor, plexiglass was installed. They asked for verbal consent to questions instead of asking me to sign. Seating in the waiting room was marked to give 6 ft distancing, although I would say they needed more guidance on how to mark the chairs, but I was able to figure it out.
Everyone was wearing a mask, as was I. Hand sanitizer was available at checkin, I used my own when leaving. I’ve used this facility numerous times and I have to say I felt safe today, much safer than when we used the facility one week before the official shutdown of my county.
I suspect this is what is happening in my county. Our numbers have started to go up again. We are currently in the red phase (shelter in place), but will advance to yellow on Friday. My neighborhood has been behaving as if we are already in the green phase. Yes, we have more testing, but so does a neighboring county, and their numbers have been going down.
Nail:Head
COVID appears to be a much more mild disease than the Spanish Flu a century ago. IFR looks to be very very low for the under-60 group, and apparently a very high percentage of infected experience no symptoms.
I am not sure about social distance policies in the long run. I haven’t spent any time in California during this pandemic, but it seems like there was high compliance there with distancing as a general rule. But I have been out and about in Florida, all over South Florida in fact, and compliance here has been spotty at best. Yet, the deaths per million in the two states have been virtually identical.
Just anecdotal, but people here are gaining confidence by the day. Honestly, except for most still wearing masks indoors, which they promptly remove immediately upon exiting, things look just about back to normal.
No.
See 1918 Pandemic. Which also had a third wave. That was wasn’t as deadly as the 2nd wave, but it was deadlier than they first wave.
Also Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1970.
The second wave wasn’t deadlier in the US, but it was in many other places around the world.
Yes, see 1968 pandemic
What it comes down to is…nobody knows. So many of the models used were wrong so why would I believe the models going forward.
Internet warriors can debate til you’re blue in the face and you’re still going to have those who want to SIP until a vaccine, and those who want everything open now and everything in between.
I’m of the camp that if we don’t see a spike in two weeks after all of these protests then open up. I really don’t buy the theory, that the protestors won’t cause an outbreak cause they are outside and they are wearing masks. That’s just crazy. So only protestors know how to be safe in large crowds? Hint: they are not being safe!!!
I’m also of the camp of opening now to protect the hospitals. The virus is here and as many have said we are not going to reduce the number of cases we are just spreading it out. Flu season is over and the hospitals are at the lowest census ever in most places. Why would we want to spread this out into the next flu season when the hospitals start to get overwhelmed again.
We should deal with a second wave if and when it happens. Nobody knows.
This virus hasn’t exactly followed the “virus playbook” yet, so it’s premature to concern ourselves with a second wave simply because other viruses had one. The virus will do whatever its programming allows it to do.
Agree. The hospitals have been protected and this was never about death rate, but was always about not becoming Italy with overrun hospitals. If we had testing and PPE early, we wouldn’t be where we are today. That failure needs to be dealt with.
Still in the 2nd inning.
“The numbers are falling in New York, the epicenter in the United States, but firmly rising in several states, as well as in Latin America and Russia. China, where the pandemic originated, and South Korea saw recent resurgences. Health officials fear another wave of infections in the fall, and subsequent waves beyond.”
“While it often feels like a million years have passed in six months, Dr. Ashish Jha, the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told The Times: “We are really early in this disease. If this were a baseball game, it would be the second inning.”
Update:
“Here’s a look at what else is happening around the United States:
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has lifted a stay-at-home order for the state’s 10 million residents, saying that groups of 100 people or less would be allowed to gather outdoors. Restaurants are also allowed to reopen, though tables must be at least six feet apart.
Louisiana’s governor said the state would begin easing restrictions on Friday, allowing venues including churches, malls, bars and theaters to increase capacity to 50 percent. The mayor of New Orleans said on Twitter that the city would not follow the state’s lead.
Infection numbers have been growing rapidly in some rural counties in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi, where several poultry processing facilities have reported outbreaks. Despite the outbreaks in parts of Mississippi, the governor announced that all businesses could reopen and that travel restrictions had been lifted. Social-distancing rules remain effect. Virus hospitalizations are also on the rise in Wisconsin.
Virus hospitalizations are on the rise in Wisconsin, and in Minnesota, where the demonstrations over George Floyd’s death began, and where cases have remained persistently high, officials said the protests could contribute to a further uptick in infections.
In Kings County, in the central part of California, an outbreak at a prison has driven up case totals. And in Imperial County, along the Mexican border, hospitals have been overwhelmed as one in every 82 residents has contracted the virus, the state’s highest infection rate.”