CTY Distance ed courses - advice needed

<p>Anyone have any experience with the CTY on line courses. My daughter has completed all the math courses at her high school. The next level course for her would be AP Calc BC. Her school has agreed to let her take the school year CTY course and will post it on her transcript with a grade from CTY. She is also considering takin AP Psych. She will be a senior and applying to several Ivies. Any one know how the colleges treat the CTY courses? Are they highly regarded?</p>

<p>I believe that the CTY math courses are essentially the same as the EPGY math courses, but using CTY's own tutors. Top colleges are familiar with EPGY. You should call some colleges and find out whether they are as familiar with CTY's online courses and would look at the courses like EPGY.</p>

<p>It has to be more highly regarded to take the course rather than to stop taking math at such a low level, if you are talking about applications to Ivies. </p>

<p>For my money, I would just take the courses directly from EPGY. Those courses are well known, possibly less expensive than list price (EPGY has very good financial aid), and well administered. My son has taken seven EPGY courses and two JHU-CTY courses, including one pair of courses in the same subject from those two providers, and he has consistently liked the EPGY courses better. </p>

<p><a href="http://epgy.stanford.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://epgy.stanford.edu/&lt;/a> </p>

<p>Best wishes to your daughter.</p>

<p>thanks so much I will look into those courses too.</p>

<p>My son has also taken EPGY math courses, grades K-7. They are excellent. EPGY has just started an online HS for gifted kids. They expect most students to take some courses from them and some from their local HS. Our HS is beginning a pilot project with them next year. Several current juniors who took Calc BC this year will do college math through EPGY next year. My son (who will be in 8th grade) will probably do EPGY math at school next year, because even the accelerated courses go too slowly for him.</p>

<p>You should check with your HS. They may be willing to offer the courses at school and pay for them.</p>

<p>My daughter did not have the best experience with an online math course through CTY. While CTY assigns a tutor, her tutor was frequently unavailable when needed and the whiteboard interaction was often confusing. I know some parents absolutely love the CTY distance courses and the Thinkwell programs that I believe are used for most courses. In fact my daughter had a great experience with a writing course. However, the tutor interaction for writing was much more frequent and positive for her. I like EPGY's track record and think the online high school looks promising. I would look into that. Additionally, CTY is very, very pricey.</p>

<p>This page has several links with information on EPGY's online HS:</p>

<p><a href="http://epgy.stanford.edu/ohs/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://epgy.stanford.edu/ohs/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The courses are accredited. From their press release:</p>

<p>"Although the EPGY-OHS will support full-time students, it will not require that students be full time. “Part of the motivation behind the creation of the EPGY-OHS,” said Raymond Ravaglia, EPGY Deputy Director, “is to address the difficulties that students frequently have in pursuing advanced educational opportunities beyond those offered by
their local schools.” Students in the EPGY-OHS will be able to combine courses taken from local schools with those taken from the EPGY-OHS and from other programs for gifted students in order to satisfy their requirements for the EPGY-OHS diploma. The EPGY-OHS will also support dual-enrollment with traditional high schools, allowing
schools to view the EPGY-OHS as a resource for their best students and not just as a competing institution."</p>

It seems that the online HS is a three year program but you can take just a course or two. Mostly the same courses as the EPGY except prices are much higher. For one course through the online HS tuition is $1500, through EPGY it's roughly half that for the same course. I guess you pay extra to say you're enrolled in their HS. Through CTY the AP Calc BC course is $610 for 3 months or $1145 if completed in 6 months. Just doesn't seem worth it to take a course or two through the online HS.</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure that the online HS charges much less to schools than to individuals. Also, you can take the EPGY course directly through EPGY (not the online HS) for a little less than CTY charges. I believe that the charge is something like $475/quarter. The information on individual math courses is here:</p>

<p><a href="http://epgy.stanford.edu/courses/math/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://epgy.stanford.edu/courses/math/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>and tuition here:</p>

<p><a href="http://epgy.stanford.edu/applyandregister/tuition.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://epgy.stanford.edu/applyandregister/tuition.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The website posted by NYMomof2 shows the correct prices. Don't forget to add the registration and shipping charges at the bottom of the page to the tuition charges. Registration and shipping are both are one-time fees per course, although shipping is not charged for the few courses which do not require CDs. The fees do not include textbooks, which the student must purchase separately. EPGY courses may be extended by a single month, or two, if a student has not completed them within a quarter. </p>

<p>Yes, EPGY charges much less to high schools than to individuals, but I think high schools have to supply their own tutors.</p>

<p>thanks for all your help. I'm sure we'll be able to work something out with her school. Now if I can get them to stop pushing AP Latin because that's the only thing that will fit into her schedule. She'd much rather take an additional math or science. Hopefully, they'll approve two on-line courses.</p>

<p>Do recognize that a student won't necessarily get credit for distance courses once in college. Some places seem to have a policy against them. My son took three years of math beyond Calculus BC from EPGY and his college (WUSTL) wouldn't accept them for credit. He didn't have to retake the courses, though.</p>

<p>He only applied to one Ivy and was waitlisted there. He didn't get into Stanford -- so much for thinking they would think a lot of someone taking courses from them during high school! He was admitted everywhere else.</p>

<p>Since I noticed that this thread seems to be leaning away from CTY, I thought I’d offer my 2 cents. Both daughters have participated in CTY summer (on site) & distance learning for years. </p>

<p>Though I can’t say with any certainty, I believe my older daughter’s participation helped her college applications (she’ll be attending Brown as a math major & was accepted to JHU, Cornell, etc.). Her CTY distance learning always worked out well (i.e. she enhanced her skills) and the only reason her younger sister is involved in CTY at all is because…</p>

<p>…the first summer we went to pick Michelle up after 3 weeks on the JHU campus, she didn’t want to come home! This year, her sister will be attending her second course at CTY.</p>

<p>We always had great CTY instructors for both distance learning & on-site instruction.</p>

<p>I should mention that my son has never had to use the EPGY tutors. There was always a tutor assigned, and we always got a nice email from them after each report (reports are automatically generated by the software and you send one in about once/week), offering encouragement, sometimes jokes or interesting problems, and help if needed. But the courses are quite well done and I imagine that most kids don't need a lot of outside help.</p>

<p>I don't mean to imply that I don't think highly of CTY. My son will be going to one of their summer programs this year, and he's gone to one-day programs for younger kids a few times over the years.</p>

<p>Just curious is there an east coast-west coast bent to this? Could it just be that east coast prefers CTY and the west EPGY? I'm sure they are both great programs and both are really geared for self-learners.</p>

<p>I believe that some people choose the courses based on location. If you are going to use the tutors, then it makes more sense to enroll through the nearer center. I also believe that CTY offers other courses besides those developed by EPGY.</p>

<p>We've had very positive experiences with the CTY courses as well--the math course was the only negative. It was my daughter's first experience with an online course (the writing was done through email) and her school's as well. She'll be double-sessioning at CTY this summer...this is her fourth year participating in those courses. In hindsight, I would compare the courseware from CTY with EPGY before enrolling.</p>

<p>Where will your daughter be this summer, sabaray? My son will be at Lancaster, 2nd session, taking Probability and Game Theory.</p>

<p>My daughter will be at JHU for Genomics 1st session and then at LAN 2nd for Advanced Chemistry. The countdown to CTY at our house has begun!</p>

<p>I guess they'll be on the same campus at the same time, then. Too bad you have to move campuses between sessions!</p>