But for THIS poster who is discussing with her parents the decision between Dart and the Ole Miss Stamps, the questions remain: if there isn’t a stamps pipeline to the kinds of opportunity she seems at present interested in pursuing in NY, would an application from MS coming trough regular channels get weeded out BEFORE humans lay hands and eyeballs on them. We all know that eventually humans will read them, but will her application go to file 13 in the preliminary weed-out. If this is LIKELY the case, and she doesn’t have connections/networks to get her application viewed through other routes (though have to imagine that there is some stamps person(s) employed in IB who could help), should this turn the table more towards Dart as the choice to make. Sounds like her parents need to be convinced and if this is a significant factor, it should be explored/addressed.
Big picture, I would tell any student to avoid sending in any ‘regular’ channel job applications.
Network, network, network…students have to contact alum in companies or roles they are interested in, reach out, and ask to have a conversation. During that discussion, ask them for names of people who are doing the hiring and/or others who would make sense to have a conversation with. And on from there. Don’t forget other networks, like family members and neighbors.
Banks and consulting firms will also have programming focused on recruiting, including some several hour-to-full-day programs that are competitive entry. These programs often come along with an internship interview. These can start as early as spring of freshmen year (for IB) and many will happen fall of soph year, so students interested have to be on top of the timelines in the industries they are interested in. Same thing…network so someone in the company knows an app is coming.
Sending in cold applications is not a recipe for success…if this is what a student, or anyone, primarily finds themself doing as part of their job search, well, they should be doing it differently. I know networking is difficult and not natural to many people, but it really is how so much hiring is done.
Absolutely! Which is why the big question is especially for students some of whom may be, as you say, more comfortable with networking than others, which of these schools will provide them better/more networking opportunities to get to their and goal as it currently appears. We all know this could change, but just wondering, given where she is at this point in trying to make a decision with her parents, which is likely to be the better route to go.
If her parents say ok to Dartmouth, I would say yes… said by someone who just passed on Dartmouth.
Yes…we all await the parents’ decision!
My questions are raised to help applicant discuss this with her parents as they process the final decision and take these variables into consideration. Any student who also got into SWAT and Brown is clearly a high caliber student probably has the skills to network and interview well and get a good internship. The question just remains would it be “easier“ in one school than the other. And is it worth the price difference. Not my decision to make just posing lots of questions to ponder.
Of course the Stamps Scholar network will have many Wall Street/IB/Finance contacts. Both NYU & Dartmouth College are partner schools with Stamps Scholar program.
The Stamps Scholar program partners with about 37 schools including U Virginia business school, U Michigan,West Point, & the US Naval Academy.
OP needs to visit Dartmouth College.
Did you not see this tucked away in the OP’s OP?
Yes I know, as I mentioned in post #38 2 days ago Dartmouth (full pay) vs Ole Miss (full ride) [physics (pre-PhD) and economics (pre-finance/consulting) major] - #38 by jym626
The question is, will it be as effective as the Dart network and on campus interviews.
Where are all the fans of outcome data to show where the physics majors go and how much they earn from the two institutions? Where are all the number crunchers when we need them to demonstrate with “facts” that one university launches more grads into what types of jobs than others? Or just longitudinal data on previous Stamps designees? Seems like a missed opportunity here.
To the OP- I’m being tongue in cheek. I think the “data” is rife with errors, and not a good way to choose a college. But since folks on CC love those numbers, I am curious why nobody has produced a chart, a graph, or even a table.
First of all, a huge congratulations to you for not only getting accepted to Dartmouth, but also getting awarded a Stamps scholarship to Ole Miss. My D26 is going to attend Univ of Arizona, which also awards Stamps scholarships…and at U of A, a Stamps winner is considered pretty much the tippy top of top students.
Getting a Stamps scholarship is a really really really big deal and you should be super proud of that.
Some general advice & thoughts to consider from my mom point of view:
- You’re asking your parents to spend the equivalent of a nice house on your college education (probably over $400,000 by the time it’s all done, including travel costs). That’s an awful lot of money. If I were your parents, I’d be thinking twice about my kid wanting to turn down the full ride.
- If my household earned what your parents do, I’d probably entice my kid with a new car to convince them to enroll at the Stamps scholarship college.
- If you REALLY want to go to Dartmouth, you need to do a better job pitching your proposal to them. Because that’s basically what you’re doing…you’re asking for venture capital money so you can go to Dartmouth.
So… - so far, what my mom brain heard from your post and your replies as to WHY you want to go to Dartmouth is: (a) you like NYC because you went there on a trip ONE time; (b) you like the idea of going to different ethnic neighborhoods around NYC; (c) you THINK you want a job in investment banking; (d) you’re afraid that you won’t be able to meet other super nerds like you at Ole Miss; (e) you think that the ONLY way to get a job in finance/investment banking is by attending an Ivy League college.
- IF the thing you liked about NYC from that one trip you went on is how it feels multicultural…then consider/look into the possibility of doing a semester in Washington, DC as an Ole Miss student. Washington, DC is just as multicultural as NYC. It, too, is a big city, and Ole Miss probably has a DC program where you could live in a dorm at 1 of the Washington, DC universities while being an intern somewhere for a semester. Ole Miss doesn’t appear to do any student exchange with any colleges in NYC.
- you could do a semester in DC and a semester abroad elsewhere while at Ole Miss, thus giving you an opportunity to spread your wings and get out of “The South.” Even better…do it during the fall semester so you can avoid prime football season if you wanted to.
- You need to document your solid list of reasons why Dartmouth vs Ole Miss. Put some thought into it.
- At the same time, you should do more exploration of the opportunities available at Ole Miss as a Stamps scholar. In other words, you need to PREPARE for your parents saying no to Dartmouth. You need to prepare for the likely possibility that they won’t be willing to pay Dartmouth prices…and therefore, you would be wise to start planning now for how you’ll engage in the Ole Miss campus community so you can find a niche where you feel at home.
- Remember: it’s not where you go…it’s what you do when you get there and what you do when you get out of there that will determine your success.
You’re being tongue in cheek but sadly it’s not there. OP would have to ask the career center. Dartmouth puts out a generic page which Ilinked above yesterday. I don’t see anything from Ole Miss but I would assume Stamps performs at a different level than the school. I saw one Stamps scholar on linkedin interning at the LIbrary of Congress - as an example.
Personally, I have no doubt, all things being equal, that Dartmouth is the safer choice and will likely provide a better outcome or a better chance at a desired outcome, whatever that is besides living in NYC.
My consternation (and perhaps the parents) is - is that likelihood of a better outcome worth $400K + all the enrichment you get?
My guess is, most (not all) agree that Dartmouth is a better choice in regards to achieving the desires.
But $400K+ is a lot of money - even for a doctor and psychologist. And you have to make $600K or whatever it is to have $400K to spend.
And all the back and forth is silly because everyone knows what OP wants. It’s a question of if the parents are willing to give it.
The rest of the debate is noise at this point.
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Just adding - if the student were to pursue finance at Ole Miss, they do have outcomes. They are a bit understated because they are 22-24 and salaries rose through that time but 65k median and $73k at the 75th. So likely add $5k if not more.
No question Dartmouth earns higher (in part due to locations picked) -
And yes they place in the City.
Hopefully, the OP will post after her visit to Dartmouth College for accepted students. Just as OP probably views Ole Miss in a different light after being designated as a Stamps Scholar, Dartmouth College will be seen differently as an accepted student among her possible future classmates.
Maybe the parents hope that OP’s visit to Dartmouth will cause a change of heart.
Wonder if OP’s parents have read any of this thread.
If OP wants NYC from Ole Miss, the Stamps Scholers network will probably be helpful in securing a desired internship.
Important for OP to discuss cost of attending a graduate/professional school if the parents spend over $430,000 for Dartmouth College. Attending Dartmouth as a full pay student for undergraduate degree is likely to limit OP’s future options regarding further study.
For an undecided student regarding desired career and possibility of attending graduate school, Dartmouth College at full COA versus Ole Miss for free plus $ seems to be an easy choice. My impression, however, is that OP wants out of Mississippi for college, but has limited choices–either full pay or free plus $. The lesson is to apply to a variety of options if not willing to accept the in-state public flagship option. I expect OP’s revisit to Dartmouth will yield a thoughtful decision now that all options and possible ramifications are clear.
Sample of one. Our DD got a HUGE scholarship to University of South Carolina which was her second choice college. Because our net cost would have been SOOO low, we offered to buy her a car, and a condo. Our kid doesn’t take bribes. The school she chose cost us over four times the amount of South Carolina.
Besides that, we agreed on her college applications knowing full well the costs…before she applied. She was free to choose amongst her acceptances because we had this conversation before the applications were even sent.
I hope the OP lets us know the outcome.
You’re approximately 120 posts to late.