<p>That’s a weird ‘sport’, driver. You WANT to have fish flopping around on your cyber deck? Have you thought of taking up a real life aggressive sport–like hunting? Or get a job in the construction industry?</p>
<p>Well, has anyone noticed if Gardener or Hoyamom have posted elsewhere… or is the person using another SN now???</p>
<p>Sorry, Driver, I won’t bite. Pretty good job stringing everyone else along, though. Hoyamom has a year’s worth of posts being a, well, Hoya Mom. </p>
<p>And all you got here is different family members using the same screen name, discussing a pretty run of the mill, non-inflammatory issue. For what purpose? the only person I can think of who would do that for the heck of it is you. </p>
<p>ANd we are not friends–but you already know that.</p>
<p>Garland: </p>
<p>I have no problem with dif fam members using the same or dif SN’s. I just wish that one or the other would come on this thread and clarify. It just seems that once I noticed that Hoyamom posted as if she were a man and also the parent of the OP’s child, then both have disappeared.</p>
<p>Maybe Hoya Mom is Felicity Huffman. :D</p>
<p>Boy… she must be desperate! ;)</p>
<p>I actually consider both Cheers and Garland to be friends (I pray for Garland), despite being a little hurt that they seem to be casting our old, hard-fought political discussions in the “Parents Cafe” as being personal. Whatever. It’s a free country, and I value that more than anything. Keep on. The Parent’s Forum is appropriate for certain things…I get ticked when I see gaming going on there. If you want to pick a fight or play around, do it in the Cafe. That’s what it’s there for.</p>
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<p>On websites such as this, people can really get their panties permanently in a bunch when politics are discussed. </p>
<p>I try to forget any “weird feelings” on any specific thread because just because I don’t agree with someone on a political issue doesn’t mean that we won’t totally agree on many other issues on CC.</p>
<p>My viewpoint…</p>
<p>When I was into my beloved alma mater and a week away from going to college, I started dating a high school senior. I was close enough to home to do the long distance thing. He was the insecure type - afraid I would outgrow him - and the fear, more than anything, ensured that I would outgrow him.</p>
<p>I’ve got a few newsflashes for y’all who think that the D is doing all of this. My parents blamed me for a lot of stuff… but the thing is, I was beyond frustrated with my relationship. I wasn’t throwing things away for him or willingly giving up opportunities for him - I wanted to live the life I earned for myself and wanted him to care about me enough to let me live it.</p>
<p>The opposite happened five years later; when I got into law school, 700 miles from home, I was going out seriously with a guy. He told me that my leaving would hurt like hell, but he wanted me to live the dream. THAT is love. No guilt, no pressure - just a sincere “congrats” when I got my acceptance, a celebratory evening out, and a few months of romance before I departed. </p>
<p>It is very, very difficult to feel like you are caught in the middle. Usually, young women in that situation take the path of least resistance; if you are going to be “supportive” of any of her decisions, she’ll make the lousy ones because that offers the least resistance.</p>
<p>I do like the idea of having a discussion with her, but you need more. You need to get the boyfriend AND HIS FAMILY over to your house for a big discussion on this. Talk to her first, then talk to all of them. Have the guts to look your D’s boyfriend in the eyes and stand up for her. Show her what a healthy relationship is about. Show her in the best way you can what she deserves from a relationship. Tell him that any boy who cares about her should want the best for her, and holding her back because he’s not maturing as fast as she is is not love. Your D can get the best education in the world but still be an insecure, fragile woman if she doesn’t understand on a gut level that she deserves love, not insecurity. Fathers are in a unique position to demonstrate to their girls; to allow your daughter to throw away a fantastic education, IMO, is a complete abdication of that responsibility.</p>
<p>I can tell you this right now - that relationship isn’t going to last. The daughter and the boyfriend grew up with too many different values to work. You understand this. Daughter does not. The bf’s parents understand this as well… I’ve certainly met my share of parents who absolutely love me and think I’m a great influence on their sons, but those men tend to lack a certain amount of ambition and work ethic.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so strident on this issue, but I can only see disaster if you let her get away with this.</p>
<p>Huh? I haven’t fought any hard battles with you, driver. My panties aren’t in a bunch.</p>
<p>Political battles on CC are a big waste of time. I have plenty of aggression in my real job–getting buiildings designed and built. Developing massive coastal properties. Picture me with a few dozen The Donalds. I don’t need to ■■■■■ for aggression on CC. :p</p>
<p>Besides, ■■■■■■■■ is a weird sport–my point was that it’s a bit weird that you ■■■■■, driver. It wouldn’t occur to me to ■■■■■ for ‘fun’ to watch innocents cyber squirm. </p>
<p>Don’t get your delight with ■■■■■■■■–with or without your politics–although the fact that you write intelligently makes it all the more weird. To me. Dunno. Not my idea of fun. But anyway, you’re the one who brought up the whole fishing analogy on the ‘official’ forum, dear.</p>
<p>I think you are using way to much energy on the ■■■■■ issue. If you think the question is sincere, answer in kind. If you think it is not a legitimate post, ignore it. But… unmasking the masked is one of my favorite passtimes, and I will only note, that the old Gardener had a D who was likely going to attend Gtown:</p>
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<p>but so what? wouldn’t be the first person to use a different username to discuss a sensitive topic.</p>
<p>Cheers, maybe I am wrong, but I don’t think Driver was saying she did any CYBER-■■■■■■■■ in post #115. Rather, I think she meant that she has ■■■■■■■ for real fish. </p>
<p>Anyway, Spring is in the air. Peace to everyone!</p>
<p>Nuance always bounces off the bullet-proof, so here’s a straightforward description of the kind of ■■■■■■■■ with which I’m familiar: <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/■■■■■■■■_for_fish[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/■■■■■■■■_for_fish</a> There is a helpful companion article linked therein which explains the etymological relationship between “sport-fishing ■■■■■■■■” and “Internet ■■■■■■■■.” </p>
<p>Your impressively aggressive professional persona is duly noted, Cheers, but ■■■■■■■■ is actually pretty relaxing until you latch into a big one, at which point you are in for a workout. I enjoy fishing, but ■■■■■■■■ can actually be pretty dull–I consider it more of an excuse to loll around on a big boat with bronzed, shirtless men. You might try taking your “Donalds” out for a day cruise–you could write it off as a business expense. That’s what I do.</p>
<p>My initial reference to ■■■■■■■■ was a sort of double-entendre–a French expression implying double meaning (French is a language spoken by the French, who live in a country called France in Europe, between Spain and Germany.</p>
<p>Note to self: Use more smiley/winky faces when writing to threads in which Cheers is participating.</p>
<p>Ooops…note to Cheers:
Please insert a winky-face ( 
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<p>Hey guys. pass the peace pipe, will ya??? :)</p>
<p>ACtually, driver, it’s not about the politics. Some of my best friends are dyed in the wool Republicans (I don’t feel I need to pray for them, though, I know they have good hearts.)</p>
<p>But the others on the board are right. Life’s too short for these games.</p>
<p>I should have put a winky-face after the praying part, Garland. Peace pipe? yes, I’m for it, but I think public smoking is universally illegal now. (winky-face)</p>
<p>by cyber smoking is not illegal, so…</p>
<p>here is the peace pipe, take a puff and pass it…</p>
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<p>:)</p>
<p>And cyber peace pipe smoking can cause “good” second hand smoke ;)</p>
<p>So let me get this straight. Driver is a self admitted ■■■■■? </p>
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<p>I really miss the LOL smilie… (sigh)</p>
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Absolutely. I won’t bait the hook, and I won’t kill’em or clean’em. But I’m happy to reel them in, and cook them. Once again, for the perpetually confused, I’m speaking of fish, of course. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. 
(smiley added to prevent any possibility of hurt feelings.)</p>