Death: The final frontier

<p>I like the idea of cremation also, but as a genealogy buff, I wonder what future generations will do if they want to look up great grandma. </p>

<p>I recently returned from a trip to the ancestral graveyards and gravestones with names and dates are a way of really connecting to the family history. All that will be lost when people’s ashes are scattered to the winds and there will only be microfilm records to look them up. And my elderly father seems to get some comfort from putting flowers on his grandmothers and grandfathers graves. </p>

<p>So maybe cremation but burial of the cremains with a headstone.</p>

<p>When my mom’s friend died from cancer at a young age, her daughters took come of her cremated ashes to a glassblower. He “blew” the ashes into a ball. When you look at the balls of glass, you can see little gray/white bubbles. It was very unique and interesting. He did enough sets for all the kids. The “ball” sits above the fireplace. The rest of the ashes were thrown into the wind atop the nearest mountain because she loved the outdoors.</p>

<p>For my mom, we are going to cremate her and put some of her ashes into a ceramic whimiscal teapot and then toss the rest into the ocean so mom can swim with the fishies. She loves tea and the ocean… ;)</p>

<p>OK, I’m persuaded now of the need to plan this for myself in advance…especially by DougBetsy and the thought of being split up into multiple urns.</p>

<p>I kind of like this idea:</p>

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<p>It seems likes an interesting way to help our planet even after we die.</p>

<p>If you wish to donate your body for medical research, you should arrange this in advance. My mom has done so, using a hospital/university her former physician favors. They will cremate the remains and get the ashes to me. She has always liked cremation and this will be a great choice.</p>

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<p>Absolutely agree.</p>

<p>Before my husband’s first deployment, 20 years ago now, we had to fill out a packet that included directions in the event of death down to preference for hymns or songs sung. I was seven months pregnant with our first child and it was wrenching. But it was necessary and over the years it’s given both of us peace of mind to truly know what the other wants with the final vote going to whatever the surviving parent feels would be most meaningful to our son. </p>

<p>My beloved uncle died two months ago. He was a teacher for 40 years and pre-arranged to have his body donated to a medical school. His last wishes were to continue his beloved role as teacher even in death. I’m so proud of him.</p>

<p>My elderly Mom died of Alzheimers just about two years ago.She had made her end of life wishes explicitly clear in a letter that was attached to my power of attorney for her affairs. It had been handwritten, dated and signed (really important) not typed or printed way before her Alzheimers was an issue…about 9 years before. She had donated her body for research to a medical school here in New York(Downstate).All arrangements were premade with the anatomical donors gift card.Her body was picked up from the Hospice.All parties involved were extremely polite and capable.There was no costs associated with the process.One thing to know about medical school donation…the body will be kept until the next cycle of medical students starts, and then used for the entire semester/academic year.You will not get back any cremains until after that academic cycle is up. It took a year and a half to get back the cremains.At the end of the academic year, I was invited to a ceremony at the medical school honoring the families of those who had donated.I also received a call thanking me and inviting me personally by the student who had worked on her body.All very dignified. My Mom hadnt wanted a memorial service and I did get some grief over that mostly from the few remaining elderly relatives and friends.
I wanted to scatter her ashes on a beach/ocean here in NY(Rockaway) where she spent her childhood summers and where she had met my Dad when they were teenagers.Since it was summer, I waited until after Labor Day (no lifeguards to inquire!) and kids,cousins and husband and I did the scattering.It was very nice.I brought a blown up picture of her and my Dad on the beach,we ate chocolate candies that were her favorite and told funny stories. It was almost like an Irish wake, minus the whiskey</p>

<p>^Agree with this. There are medical schools moving to digital anatomy. I don’t think it teaches you as much as learning from a real cadaver. Donating to a medical school and organ donation are the two best ways I can think of to generate something beneficial from death.</p>

<p>Other options I’ve seen: The Tibetan Sky burial (google it) is gruesome to westerners, but I find it interesting.</p>

<p>I’ve heard that the cremains can be compressed into a diamond.</p>

<p>In sillier moments, I’ve thought it would be funny if I was taxidermied and posed in the corner like a bear trophy.</p>

<p>My mother always expressed a desire to be cremated. Her remains are in a place where she has her own little plaque in a wall with other people, in a building on the grounds of the same cemetery in Paramus where her parents are buried. (It’s actually kind of funny, I think, that the tombstone of my grandfather, who was married twice after my grandmother died, is surrounded by those of his three wives – number 2 to his immediate left, number 3 to his immediate right, and my grandmother, unfortunately, to the rear. But I’m sure it makes him feel important!)</p>

<p>I’ve visited my mother quite a few times over the years, and have brought my son, and it is comforting to me to see her name there. There may not be many people left who remember her by now, and by the time I’m gone there probably won’t be anyone, but at least in that sense, she still has a presence in the world and, I hope, always will. In the will I prepared last year before my surgery, I put that I want to be in the same place where she is.</p>

<p>I heard a piece on NPR saying that in Germany burial plots are rented on a 20-year basis, not sold.</p>

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<li><p>If you have a preference, do your planning before you die, and leave instructions. It will be awfully stressful for your family to start from scratch at your death.</p></li>
<li><p>Don’t leave your instructions in your will. No one is going to look at your will until after the funeral.</p></li>
<li><p>There was a very moving article in the Wall St. Journal a few months ago about the absolute crisis in the Zoroastrian community in India (where it is based). Zoroastrian funerary customs are based on the tenets of the religion, are central to its belief system, and go back 2,500 years. The dead are placed on “Towers of Silence”, to be consumed by vultures. The problems with that are familiar ones: In India, rapid development leads to habitat change and . . . no vultures near where the dying Zoroastrians are. Here and in Europe, it’s not OK to dispose of your dead by exposing them on top of a rickety wooden tower, and it’s not like we have all that many vultures, either. But it’s pretty wrenching for a society to change its traditional funerary practices involuntarily.</p></li>
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<p>Hunter S Thompson wanted his cremains shot out of a cannon. Looks like he got his wish.</p>

<p>“Three rows of taiko drummers thundered as the wrapping of the monument fell away, revealing a two-and-a-half-ton gonzo fist at the peak of the monument, and it began to glow and pulse in every color of the rainbow, visible for miles as Norman Greenbaum’s 1969 hit “Spirit in the Sky” (“When I lay me down to die, going up to that spirit in the sky”) spilled out of the sound system. With a boom that could have shattered the eardrums of elk on the far side of the valley, 34 lines of fireworks screamed skyward, Thompson’s ashes boiled out of their container as milky smoke, Bob Dylan’s “Mister Tambourine Man” played and tears now freely mixed with the mist.” </p>

<p>[Burial</a> in the Sky - Page 1 - Columns - Los Angeles - LA Weekly](<a href=“http://www.laweekly.com/2005-09-01/columns/burial-in-the-sky/]Burial”>http://www.laweekly.com/2005-09-01/columns/burial-in-the-sky/)</p>

<p>Gonzo gun…</p>

<p>SOO, I am confused about this rental idea… so you rent while you are alive, and if you don’t die in 20 years you have to rent again? Or they move your body at the end of the 20 years? If so, where do they put it?</p>

<p>You purchase the use of the plot for 20 years from the initial burial, and then the family members choose in 20 years whether to buy another block of time. I believe they exhume and cremate the remains if the lease expires.</p>

<p>Suddenly, medical schools all over the country are flooded with offers of body donations… It is interesting to note that the callers seem to have one thing in common - they all have college-aged kids. ;)</p>

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<p>Yup. There is a company that started this:</p>

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<p>Dh and I have our wishes documented. FWIW, here’s my experience with my Dad’s death. </p>

<p>A few years ago, when my father was dying, I received a call asking if I would consent to his organs being donated. I was told that my siblings, who lived in the same town, were emotionally unable to deal with the issue, and the eldest, who had medical PoA because our mother had Alzheimer’s, gave the hospital my name and telephone number and said that I would handle it. I was told that “everyone” thought this was the right thing to do, but that the final decision had been left up to me. When I questioned whether Dad might not be a suitable donor given his advanced age and medical history, my concerns were firmly downplayed. </p>

<p>After a brief discussion, during which I felt pressured to consent, I agreed. I was told that a medical and social history must be given immediately. I asked why this person could not obtain a copy of my father’s medical history from his doctor, and was told there wasn’t enough time. There were several questions that I was unable to answer, and I again suggested that it would be better to verify the information with the doctor’s staff. Then came the “social history” part, which entailed questions about Dad’s sex life (among other behaviors.) Did this woman really think I’d know? It was obvious that she was frustrated with my inability to answer most of the questions with a yes, no or number, but I wasn’t going to guess or make up a response just to satisfy her desire to check off a box. My father was a very reserved, religious man, at least as I knew him. What he was like, or how he lived when he was on his own in his teens or in the military as a young man, I don’t know for certain but I have an idea that he wasn’t always so conservative. If these questions were important enough to ask, then I think that my inability to provide an accurate answer should have ended the matter.</p>

<p>When we finally finished, the woman repeated her earlier assurance that the process would not delay the funeral arrangements. That turned out to be incorrect. If the funeral had not been postponed to allow time for out of state relatives to travel, we would have had to reschedule. As it was, the funeral home had problems with the hospital which added to our stress. Meanwhile, one of my brothers called to ask me about the telephone interview and got very emotional when I repeated some of the questions, so I ended up having to calm him down. I have no doubt that the same brother would have been furious with me if I’d declined consent earlier, but at that point he was angry that I hadn’t revoked it.</p>

<p>A few months later, I received an envelope in the mail from the organization that handled the donation. It contained a solicitation for money. Nearly a year after Dad’s death, an actual letter arrived. It basically stated that nothing had been of any use. There was no thank you, no recognition of our loss, no acknowledgement of the added stress caused by their procedures.</p>

<p>The care and tending of our family plot was very important to my Dad. As a little girl it was one of the few things that he and I did together without my other siblings. He was rather taken aback when as an adult I told him that I planned on being cremated. I promised him that some of my ashes would be mulched into the azaleas by what would be his grave. He was able to live with that (pun intended). The rest of my remains are going to be tossed over the side of the Martha’s Vineyard ferry somewhere between Woods Hole and the island.</p>

<p>I have asked my husband a million times to tell me exactly what he would want and he has never gotten specific. If he doesn’t specify what he wants and goes first, he will end up being cremated and going over the side of the ferry as well.</p>

<p>Elleneast, my husband is the same way. I guess it’s just hard for some people to think about that stuff, they just want to get away from the subject as soon as possible.</p>

<p>I read a mystery novel one time about a man murdering his wife and burying her in the garden, sprinkling lime over her body, and then planting rose bushes over her, which grew and bloomed beautifully. That has since been my fantasy, but H tells me that is not legal anywhere. Sigh. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, but not in the cold dark ground, please…I always picture that scene in the beginning of “Dr. Zhivago” where he leaves his mom buried and there is a blizzard. No thank you!</p>