Defending Helicopter Parenting

Having been given a less than cordial welcome to this forum on my first post ever, I want to let fellow parents who may also be struggling with letting go of their college-age students that from my experience (I am a 58 year old father) being actively engaged in the lives of your children, assisting in decisions, and sometimes being “the invisible hand” that smooths the path is not a bad thing. You should not be shamed or condemned for such actions, but instead be reassured that your engagement will have its rewards. Happy kids, happy parents. That is all.

MODERATOR’S NOTE: Please note that this user’s “first post ever” was five years ago.

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Oh gosh. Grabbing my popcorn. :slight_smile:

I agree with what you wrote. Just wondering though why you chose the username BadParent. Was it intended to be ironic?

Just for some context: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1392033-switch-off-parenting-p1.html

@BadParent Why did you wait 5 years to follow up?

“Happy kids, happy parents. That is all.”

Sadly I have seen this backfire. I’ve seen lot of first generation parents do this. As their kids became adults they felt suffocated. As those children because independent, got married, and had their own families they no longer have any association with their parents and still hold resentment for this. They are not able to forget the suffocation they felt.
For others they were never able to move forward in life because they didn’t have confidence and self esteem to believe that they were capable. Those kids are permanently scarred for life and years later they are still going to therapy for what they experienced in their childhood.

Now those parents that are now grandparents realize at some point you have to let go and allow them to make their own choices otherwise you risk losing your relationship with your kids. It doesn’t happen with everybody but I have seen it happen enough that I have learned not to cross the fine line. As parents sure we want to protect our kids and not let them suffer from making mistakes but one thing we have to realize is that we are not in 100 % control of their destiny.

I had a friend who committed suicide in medical school. All because of parental pressure and interference. I have another friend that attended Stanford and she hasn’t spoken to her father in years. She was so controlled that when her father would come home and ask her about her homework or test results she would pee in her pants.

For kids who are first generation to study in this country it is a tough situation. Their parents were brought up in different schooling systems outside this country and were not familiar with how things are done here. A lot of them experience one culture at home but when they go to school they are interacting with a different society.

You don’t know what tomorrow brings. As parents we will not be there for our kids forever and eventually they will need to learn life survival skills if they want to be independent and responsible for their own families.

You are speaking as a parent. Where is the child’s voice in this? Does it even matter to you?
I am an adult that was once that child now raising my own. When I hear statements made like this it makes me sick to my stomach. It drains my positive energy and I feel completely toxic.

This is only the second post OP has made in the past 2 years. What’s prompting this now?

"I want to let fellow parents who may also be struggling with letting go of their college-age students

I think it is important, as parents, to separate what we do for our own needs (missing them, wanting to feel helpful and needed) from what is best for our kids (legitimate help because we are experts in a particular area AND our children have asked for our help).

I agree with @raclut that it can backfire because the young adult child isn’t learning from mistakes or doesn’t learn to trust their own judgement if mom/dad are constantly stepping in.

Like most things, it’s hard to make blanket statements regarding whether it is good or bad. A lot depends on the context and the degree of involvement. Sometimes, parents aren’t the best at objectively judging their own involvement and “help”.

There’s a difference between being a Tiger Parent and simply being a Mama Bear. I’m the latter. Those who become over-involved may need to examine their motivation. The kid needs some support? Or you need something to focus on and need your kids to need you, more than they really do?





Xpost with doschicos.

Twicer - the poster posted in 2015 and again this past winter.

@BadParent , I appreciate your thought and post. Your choice of words of how you guide your young Adult children is perfect. We understand that all kids and young adults are in need of individualized care. I don’t see a single issue or negative thought in your post. I don’t understand the long winded outrage by some posters above. Feel free to post as much or as little as you want, anytime you want. Speak your mind because I think that is the point of this Parent Cafe. Sometimes I’m a “Bad Parent”, your screen name makes me smile.

So, will you be the guiding hand in helping your children choose a spouses?

There is a difference between being a parent who still has some role in the kid’s lives and a helicopter parent, one to me is healthy, the other one is not so much.

Helicopter parenting assumes that the parent always knows best and based on that, has the right to make decisions for the kids about everything, which is ridiculous, being a parent doesn’t make one a god and, b)it also doesn’t allow the kid to find what works for them and also to take their lumps when things don’t work so well. My dad always said you can’t take their falls for them, as much as you want to, and he was right, any parent who loves their kid wants them to be unhappy, to have a skinned knee, a broken heart, experience setbacks, but you can’t help that…and in the end, trying to shield them will foul them up.

What happens when the kid has a setback in life? What if that dream job the helicopter parent kind of forced them into turns out to be like most jobs, where setbacks happen, where not everyone sees him/her for the brilliant kid the parents ‘knows’ them to be, what if gasp they find they actually don’t want to be an engineer/a scientist/an investment banker/an accountant/a lawyer/a doctor, whatever the parent decided was ‘perfect’ for them. The worst part about helicopter parenting is that it often is all about the parent and little about the child, it is the parent fulfilling their wishes and desires on the kid, whether it be a career in something they wanted to do themselves (doctor, baseball player, whatever, sports are often the worst with that), or worse, the parent looking to the future and saying “if my kid becomes X he will do really really well, and then he can take care of me” , it is very narcissistic while pretending to be what is best for the kid.

Being involved is another story, the irony with that is there are a lot of parents who seem to think raising a kid is providing a roof over their heads, food on the table, and after that, anything beyond letting the kid founder in the surf is ‘overparenting’ (I used to belong to a really liberal church, the guy who was the pastor there talked about parents who were too involved because of the way we were in their lives,supporting them and so forth, not helicopter parenting…and this is the guy who had a son who sort sort of a foul up, who when he was somehow graduating college they figured out he had no life skills…being involved means giving the kid autonomy to me as much as possible, given their age, it is very different with a 5 year old then with a 15 year old, it means suggesting things for them to try and sometimes, yes, ‘strongly encouraging’ them to do it (like my S with little league, which he admits now was a good experience), while also respecting their opinions as much as possible. It means outside of putting your foot down when you think something is really bad (like the kid at 14 wanting to go hitchhiking with a group of kids you aren’t too thrilled with), it is talking to the kid, telling them what you feel about something and helping them make a decision, and if it turns out the decision led to less than stellar results, helping the kid dust themselves off.

We smooth the way in many ways, but there will always be bumps and needs to be. By for example making sure they are well prepared to do something, whether it is sports or hiking or sailing or whatever, it can help them gain confidence and not have the big ‘gotcha’ when they try it, but there will still be bumps. Being involved is encouraging the kid to stretch themselves, to try for something that may be beyond their reach, but also being realistic it will be hard, and being there when it may get rough. The key thing is the kid get used more and more to making their decisions and accepting the consequences, good and bad, that is life, as a parent more and more, especially as adults, it is to be there as a resource/information/comforting and helping to pick up the pieces if it goes south, emotionally and otherwise as the kid wants, but it isn’t to run their life, tell them who to marry, where to live, where to work, etc, just not our place.

What I really despise about helicopter parents is parents who set up this idea that there is only one path to take, it is one chosen to minimize risk, one where the kid does things simply because it fits that ‘chosen path’, I see those kids all the time and they don’t end up happy. Friend of mine belongs to a fairly famous mega church (here in NYC, weird place for it), and he does pastoral counseling (he is perfect for it, neat guy, has faced more challenges in his life then 10 other people would have dealt with), and he talks about these kids of the helicopter parents, who are bred for ‘success’ (the get into an ivy become a high level professional make a lot of money that is life kind of thing), and are at the church to hear a message for the first time in their lives that there is more to life than that, and that mistakes and failures are part of being human.

Is there a magic line between helicopter parenting and being a supportive parent? Like most things, it will vary, but with most helicopter parents I have seen, it is kind of like the old story in the Supreme Court, where a judge said he couldn’t define what porn was but knew when he saw it, same thing here, it is usually pretty obvious (like the parent at a music school audition who after their daughter auditioned, ran into the room (a major, major no no) and proceeded to yell at the panel in a combination of English and French Canadian that her daughter’s audition wasn’t long enough, they didn’t ask her to play the right things, she hadn’t enough time to warm up…and I know that to be a fact, because she did this after my son had come into the room to do his audition…).

My H and I spent the first 18 years of my son’s life giving him the tools necessary to become a fully functioning independent adult. IMO, that is what parents should be teaching their kids to do. Anyway, it has worked incredibly well.

He also knows he can always come to us for advice, but we never give our opinion without him asking or interfere in decisions he makes. He recently switched jobs and we didn’t know he was even looking. Found out after he had accepted his new position, left his old job and was about to start new one in two weeks.

Well, from what I can see in your original post 5 years ago on the same subject, your college age student at the time had significant learning disabilities, so it’s understandable that you needed to be more involved. But that, along with some mistakes you made personally (failing a class because you forgot to drop it and had your admission to med school revoked as a result until your parents got involved and you were un-revoked) may have colored your views to a significant degree on the need for other parents to be equally involved.

I realize some kids do need more assistance along the way and why it’s necessary to hover in these cases, but there are many young adults who are perfectly capable of handling more responsibility on their own than they are allowed to. From my observations, the students more likely to mess up despite being perfectly capable were the ones who knew their parents were waiting in the wings to step in and fix their mistakes.

Suum cuique , to each his own. There are varying degrees of “helicopter parenting”, for instance,
I don’t understand why so many parents hover over their kids college application process. I know of parents that have almost completely completed their kids applications. To each their own. Live and let live, judge not lest ye be judged. I can’t think of anymore non judgement sayings. I’m still with your right to express your thoughts @BadParent.

Different kids need different types of help. Some need and thrive on more help, others don’t and you cause problems. Sometimes you have to help them save themselves, sometimes you have to let them stumble and fall…and cross your fingers. “Do No Harm”, and that’s not the same for each child.

OP…you mention your struggling…not your kids.

Dear Moderator, my original question magically disappeared, I’ll post a paraphrased version again, What difference does it make if the OP’s first post was 5 years ago? This is a serious question. There are certain senior members that are judgmentally harsh and I wouldn’t doubt that the OP was avoiding conversing their thoughts. Also, why is it nessesary to go back and read all of past posts by a person and then bring it back up in a current post? If the OP felt he wasn’t “cordially welcomed”, and had a thought 5 years later, who cares. It is his post and thoughts.

Not the mod, but going back to see the OP’s earlier post makes sense because he alludes to it in his very first sentence.

@Screennamekiddo, please look at your messages - I already replied to you.

Discussing moderation on public boards is prohibited by the Terms of Service. Don’t do it again.

I felt that it was misleading for the OP to refer to his “first post ever,” as if he were a brand new poster who was scared off. His first post was five years ago.

screenname, this is a forum full of opinions. If you post a question and ask for opinions, you have to expect people to disagree with you. On the OP’s previous thread (which I was involved in and remembered once I reread it), the opinions were overwhelmingly against his. But that’s life on this- and most- forums.

I don’t know where you are getting the idea that we have to “cordially welcome” people. If the OP’s first thread is asking for opinions, opinions s/he will get.

OP, I still stick by what I said several years ago. If you continually are a “guiding hand” for your children, they won’t learn how to do things on their own.

IMO, part of life is learning how to fall on your butt, get up, and brush yourself off. Those falls are part of the experience of life. How boring life would be (IMO) if you never experienced failure. But your kids can’t do that if your hand is constantly under them holding up a net.

I also stick by what I said that of course children with LDs, children with extra problems- mental illness, physical illness, etc, and similar should get more support than children without these things.

There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE gulf between throwing your kid out at 18 and never talking to them again and emailing back and forth with their advisors, professors, etc. It’s not an either/or situation.