<p>This is a perfect example of why affirmative action is a bad policy all around. While csmith views it it negatively because its repercussions for him, Shyman (who may or may not be a benefactor of such a program) is also negatively affected. Automatically, people jump to conclussions about how or why URMs got admitted. Many times URMs have worked only to be thrown under the spotlight of doubt and question.</p>
<p>Congrats Shyman, and goodluck to csmith in the spring.</p>
<p>Interesting how you already received your ACT scores when it is stated on their website that scores will not be ready to be viewed online until December 28th…</p>
<p>cathyo - I believe this was a topic last year so you may want to check a year ago’s threads, but I don’t think so. Sorry, but you could always call the college admission’s office - or at worst try to transfer next year - sorry</p>
<p>chrissmtih332 - First of all, I am not sure where you got the opinion that I was bashing shyman - I simply stated, I did not expect some with his application - I never mentioned his race - trust me, I never mentioned that his race was a factor. I simply stated that if you don’t believe him, then disregard the information. I really don’t think the Notre Dame forum is the place to be debating affirmative action - I just wrote a 13 page research paper about it for a Notre Dame class so if you want to PM me, I’ll be glad to discuss my findings about it, but I don’t feel that the Notre Dame site is the place to debate whether affirmative action is justified - if shyman’s stats show inconsistencies or obvious lies than take what you want about it, I am not quite sure about this, but I think we should leave affirmative action for another site.</p>
<p>*sorry I did not finish one sentence, I simply stated that I did not expect someone with his application to be accepted - this was looking at his grades and ECs, not his race.</p>
<p>I meant with the princeton course so obvious my range on th ACT is goin to be near there…i just said it to quell those who deny that I am NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Notre Dame</p>
<p>it does seem suspicious that shyman has pretty horrible grammar and says that he has had articles published and written award-winning essays, but if he were to lie, why wouldn’t he lie about everything? why not make up SAT scores that are feasible? </p>
<p>also if his articles were published in the wall street journal their focus probably wasn’t literary or creative</p>
<p>and shyman, admission decisions do not determine a person’s worth, I think the issue isn’t if YOU as a person are good enough but if your numbers are good enough, and I hope you realize that numbers are not representative of a person, just representative of how much money their parents paid for tutoring or of how much time they studied for it or of their natural test-taking abilities or of how well their schooling prepared them or etc.</p>
<p>Guys, lets not do what we’re doing to Notre Dame’s forum right now. Let’s just congratulate those who were accepted and help those deferred and commiserate with those rejected. :)</p>
<p>Looks like deferreds make up about 17% of the EA applicants. Sounds somewhat promising that I might have a chance in RD. Georgetown defers all EAs I think.</p>
<p>I think now would be an appropriate time to move past this discussion of AA, the accuracy of info posted, and pointless critcism peers. Hawkswim is right, this is the ND forum. </p>
<p>Congratulations to all who have been accepted; ND is a great school to get a great education. For those deferred, good luck in the spring.</p>
<p>I was deferred as well.
No idea what my GPA is
35 act (i do realize that this is a superscore which ND doesn’t do. my highest composite is a 33)
8 or 9 APs (can’t count off the top of my head)
Unsure of recommendations (waived right to teacher and GC)
Handful of EC’s, most of which I hold an office/leadership position
200+ hours of community service
In my opinion, awesome essays.</p>
<p>I may have been deferred because of GPA- I do have an F on my transcript, but I tried to even it out with additional summer coursework.</p>
<p>30 ACT
Rank: 32/620
GPA: 3.8 UW 4.5 W
Public high school that is ranked top 80 high schools in the nation by Newsweek.
Ethnicity: Hispanic Caucasian
Decents ECs…Cross Country, Debate Team, Key Club, Interact Club
Went on a mission trip last summer. 150 hours community service.
Didn’t send SAT I or SAT IIs
I’ve taken 8 APs freshman to junior year, and I have straight As for this semester…</p>
<p>My schedule this year includes 4 AP Classes. Should I retake ACT to improve my chances or will it really not make much of a difference in my chances of getting in if I only improve to a 31 or 32?</p>
<p>People come to this forum to obtain information about Notre Dame. Inaccurate info should be called out as it is not productive or warranted and can thus result in misinforming people who are actually looking for answers to their questions.</p>
<p>I just bumped to the top of the list the 2009 admission statistics thread for your review. Some pertinent facts from last year:</p>
<p>44% of the EA applicants were accepted.
660 were deferred.
If we assume that 50% of the deferred applicants were accepted RD, then 53% of the
original 3842 accepted students would have come from the EA pool. This would mean that only 17% of those applying RD only were accepted. Thus, a three times better chance to be accepted by applying EA. (Keep in the mind the 50% is just a guess)
The University later posted a total of 4113 acceptances, indicating another 271 students were accepted off the waiting list, after the original acceptance number of 3842 was released. (I received the original stats as an ND club officer)
As noted elsewhere, if you were deferred, there is probably one area, such as GPA or test score, that the University is watching. Find out from your admission officer what it may be and see if you can impact it. My son was deferred last year, but had an excellent first semester GPA his senior year and was accepted RD. We watched the UCLA basketball game today and then brought him home for the holidays. He was disappointed after being deferred this time last year, but is loving every minute this year on campus. ND has much to offer, so be patient these next few months. It is worth the wait.</p>