Did God answer your college prayers?

<p>Just a student who wandered over here to see what parents are saying, and I came across a few parents who are crediting God with answering their college prayers. </p>

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<p>I am not an atheist but I do not believe that God intervenes in our lives in this way (meaning giving some people college admisisons or financial aid or anything else like that). But I have some friends who think that way and I have a question that I have always wanted to ask them but never have because I did not want to come across as disrespecting their beliefs. But I am genuinely interested to know why people think that God fixes their college problems but leaves children to die from cancer, or be abused by their parents, or killed in wars that they had nothing to do with causing? Why would God care more about you and your relatively trivial problems but not about these other people?</p>

<p>I really, really do not mean to offend but I have always wondered this.</p>

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<p>Agreed. He is too busy helping teams win football and basketball games.</p>

<p>No he did not.</p>

<p>Redfish –
I know what you mean since to imply that God helped someone with a favorable outcome means He/She was implicitly involved in others’ unfavorable outcomes. </p>

<p>I think when people speak this way what they may be trying to express is their gratitude and their faith in an overarching direction to their lives. To reject the idea that life is totally random. And to acknowledge that while we may sometimes think that we know best for ourselves, God or life or the Universe is really in charge and has other plans.</p>

<p>There is a lyric I like in one of Colin Hay’s songs that addresses this:<br>
All around is anger, automatic guns.
Death in large numbers.
No respect for women or our little ones.
I tried talking to Jesus,
He just put me on hold.
Said he’d been swamped with calls this weekend,
could not shake his cold.</p>

<p>(The song is called Beautiful World, and is actually quite upbeat, now a downer. Very pretty, too. For us older people, Hay was the lead singer of an old band called Midnight Oil.)</p>

<p>God is not in Admissions, He’s in Financial Aid.</p>

<p>hahaha :)))</p>

<p>I would never pray for assistance with something as unimportant as college admission. The last time I prayed for something specific was when my four-year-old was laying unconscious in an ambulance and the police closed the streets to get him to the hospital quickly because the head injury was so serious. I hope never to ask Him assistance again.</p>

<p>Many people pray not for a specific outcome, but for the strength to deal with whatever the outcome may be. Then they thank God for getting the outcome they wanted, or for giving them the strength to deal with a different outcome.</p>

<p>I guess it all depends on one’s notion of God. For some, God is a distant “watchmaker”- made the world, wound it up and lets it go- no further intervention. For others, God is more approachable- willing to listen to prayers and maybe answer them and intervene when called upon. </p>

<p>There are those, such as myself, who believe that God has a plan- prayer is a request to reveal it- for example- praying for a college acceptance, then acceptance comes- means my and God’s plan are in accord. If acceptance doesn’t come, then I accept that such an outcome was not part of God’s plan for me. </p>

<p>This has nothing to do with why evil, illness, etc are in the world. I believe God allows evil and suffering, but didn’t create them. I also believe that God can intervene against evil as God sees fit. These are just my beliefs, coming from a Catholic perspective. Different religions have different belief systems about the power of prayer and how God intervenes or doesn’t in human affairs.</p>

<p>Aren’t there lots and lots of admits who aren’t Christian? It would be interesting to look at the stats and see which religion has the best admit rate at HYPS. </p>

<p>This might provide a new answer to: what does it take to get into HYPS?</p>

<p>Answer: divine intervention.</p>

<p>I think I’ve read that a lot of Asian students get admitted to HYSP. Perhaps in addition to having 24 AP courses, 3 years of SAT prep and an EC for curing cancer, potential applicants should consider a religious conversion.</p>

<p>I agree with Chedva and believe that prayer can be powerful when used in the way she described.</p>

<p>God has nothing to do with college admissions.</p>

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<p>Nothing? Like a God-free zone? Are your sure? So much for predestination.</p>

<p>She is responsible for every rejection letter.</p>

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<p>Wow, this is getting confusing. I’d think Satan would do the rejections.</p>

<p>How about rejection emails? He/She involved in that? </p>

<p>Who is responsible for the waitlist? The Easter Bunny?</p>

<p>I prayed that my D would be a good person with a kind heart who would stay on the right path and graduate from college. So yes, my prayer was answered. And then I prayed that she would be admitted to medical school if that was the right path for her. And now I am praying she will be strong enough to make it through medical school. But I am just praying for guidance and strength for her, and for her to make a positive difference in the world. I could extend that to all college students, that all will make our world a better place.</p>

<p>“Wow, this is getting confusing. I’d think Satan would do the rejections.”</p>

<p>No, Satan does admissions. Then disappoints with financial aid. And then arranges for high rates of disappointment and dropout along the way.</p>

<p>Okay, I’m not a theologian, but I’ll try, especially since it doesn’t look as if anyone else is going to answer the OP’s question seriously. </p>

<p>Who is God? We can’t really completely comprehend Him, but he isn’t just a superior human being with an unlimited life span and a higher IQ. </p>

<p>Our values are not necessarily God’s. For example, if you believe that there is another, potentially better life in the next world, then Death is not an evil. God may not feel the same about a death from cancer or war as we do. Moreover, sometimes such events cause people to turn to God. (There’s an old saying that there are no atheists in fox holes.) So, it’s at least possible than these events don’t rank up there with things He needs to deal with before He considers college admissions. </p>

<p>I doubt that I am articulating this well, but our idea of “trivial” may not be the same as God’s. So, who are we to say when God will choose to intervene in our world and when He won’t? Isn’t it more than a bit arrogant for us to think that if God exists, His “To Do List” has to be ranked in the order in which WE would prioritize it? </p>

<p>God did give us free will. Much of the evil in the world comes from our exercise of it. In most cases, God does not intervene. He allows us to exercise our free will. We often do so to do harm to ourselves or others. This is evident not only in obvious cases–a parent abuses his child–but in others less obvious–we pollute a stream over lots of years and a woman who drinks from the polluted water gives birth to a child with a birth defect. Or we pollute the atmosphere and 20% of the South Bronx get asthma. In most cases, God doesn’t intervene to stop the evil people cause by exercising their free will. He lets our acts cause the natural results. </p>

<p>In the New Testament, Christ says that His Father knows every swallow in the sky and none of them can die without Him knowing and that each of us is more important to His Father than any swallow. He also tells the parable about the corrupt judge who gives justice to the poor widow because she just never gives up asking–which suggests the power of prayer. </p>

<p>So, I believe that it is all right to pray to God for things that matter to us, no matter how trivial they may seem in the overall scheme of things. I also believe that God hears all our prayers and answers them–He just doesn’t always say yes. I believe that God performs many “ordinary miracles” every day for those who pray to Him. </p>

<p>Do you remember the entertainer Danny Thomas? (His daughter Marlo may be more familiar to you,.) He tried to make it as an entertainer. It was his life’s ambition, but he was failing misearbly. He wasn’t making enough money to support his family. Thomas was a devout Catholic, and so he chose to pray to St. Jude, the patron saint of lost causes–essentially Jude is the saint you ask for help when nobody expects you to get it. He promised St. Jude that if he got a break which enabled him to earn his living doing what he loved–being an entertainer-- he would do something important to honor the name of St. Jude. Well, if you know the story of Danny Thomas, you know that within a few days of that prayer and promise, he was offered a part which set him along the road to a very successful career as an entertainer and producer. He kept his promise by building St. Jude’s Hospital for Children, which has helped a lot of children with serious illnesses. </p>

<p>I’m sure that non-believers will say that the prayer followed by an unexpected job offer is simply coincidence and that there was no causation. But Thomas himself certainly believed that there was. Put on the hat of a believer for a moment. Is what Thomas prayed for really trivial? It wasn’t to him. And, by granting his wish, God enabled Thomas to keep his promise to St. Jude and do a lot of good in the world. Good that meets our human standard for important–like saving children from early deaths. In this way, to those of us who do believe, God allowed a public manifestation of the power of prayer. </p>

<p>I certainly don’t believe that God loves those who got into their first choice colleges more than those who did not. I am very much aware that there are good and devout people who pray hard for things that it seems clear cut are in their best interest, but do not get what they want. Like Job, they wonder why God seems to have abandoned them. Why? I don’t know. But I do believe that there are cases in which God does help us and grant the things we have prayed for. I believe that in some cases He does so to strengthen the Faith of those who do believe in them. In others, He does so because the help He gives will enable the recipient to do much good that might otherwise not be done. In others, He does so for reasons we don’t know. </p>

<p>In any event, I do think that if we want something and it is important to us we should not hesitate to pray for it. God may grant our request and, like Thomas, we may firmly believe that His intercession is the only means by which we could have gotten an affirmative answer. </p>

<p>PS–This is a sincere answer, but I have no desire to debate the existence of God on this forum. All those who believe in Him struggle with the problem of evil. It IS hard to believe in God when we see some of the evil in the world. I’m not pretending otherwise. I’m just trying to answer the question.</p>

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<p>That makes sense and explains what was meant went parents say “I’d sell my soul to get my kid in __________.” And, I thought they were kidding!</p>

<p>Satanic financial aid decisions? I thought “Blessed are the poor.” Is Satan winning out? Are atheists “automatic admits?” Do they get better aid? Does this happen at religious affiliated colleges?</p>

<p>Jonri: you wrote: “(There’s an old saying that there are no atheists in fox holes.)”</p>

<p>Whenever I see that, I can hear my father saying “I became an atheist in a fox hole. It was my experiences in that fox hole for two months [on Papua New Guinea in WW2] that persuaded me that there was no just God, and I didn’t want to believe in a God that would visit such hell on earth on us.”</p>

<p>He never went to church again.</p>