<p>I’m a finance major who will be attending NSO this week and signing up for classes while I’m there. </p>
<p>I’m debating which of these Kelley prerequisites I should take so I can have a good balance in terms of workload and difficulty between my Fall and Spring semesters.
The only Kelley prereqs I haven’t taken include the following: </p>
<p>Any feedback on how these classes are would be great, and which classes to not take together. Also, do you have to take BUS-C 204 before BUS-C 104? and how come 204 has a higher grade distribution? </p>
<p>On top of those Kelley Prereqs I listed, I am also considering the following gen-ed courses:</p>
<p>AST-A 102 - Gravity, the great attractor:evolution of planets, stars, and galaxies AST-A 103- The search for life in the universe AST-A 105- Stars and galaxies ASTA-A 221 General astronomy I</p>
<p>**GEOG-G 109 **Weather and climate</p>
<p>GEOL-G 104 Evolution of the earth</p>
<p>**HIST-H 105 **American History I</p>
<p>SOC-S 100- Intro to Sociology</p>
<p>FINA-A 231- The age of giants: art in the time of Leonardo and Michelangelo FINA-A 234- Renaissance Florence
**FINA-H 100- **Intro to art history and visual culture for non-majors FINA-N 198- Intro to photography for non majors FINA- S 291- Fundamentals of photography
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REL-A-250- **Intro to Christianity</p>
<p>Does anybody have any comments about any of these? Recommendations? Any input would be greatly appreciated!</p>
<p>C204 may be a problem due to the following:</p>
<p>C 204 : P - Two semesters of college coursework and English
Composition (ENG-W 131, ENG-W 170, CMLT-C 110, or other
approved substitute) with at least a C grade</p>
<p>E201, M118, and K201 probably will keep you busy. Are you not considering T175 and A100?</p>
<p>Nico, so you are not in the business school yet?</p>
<p>Also, I am guessing you have not taken ECON E370 yet, as it transfers to IUB from only a handful of schools. If you are good at math, you could take M118 and E370 (semester after taking M118), C104, and K201 for your four admissions classes.</p>
<p>Do you have credit for L201 Business Law and A201 and A202?</p>
<p>When do you plan to take Icore. Are you going to try to get the four IUB campus courses need to apply in one semester and get word of admission or rejection before the spring semester starts; or are you going to spread those four courses minimum for the application over this fall and spring semesters. Consider when you plan to take Icore if you only do the four admissions courses in fall and spring, as you will definitely have more courses to take before qualifying for Icore, as A100, C204, E370, G202, and a couple of other Icore prerequisites generally do not transfer to IUB from other schools, so I doubt you have credit for any of them. </p>
<p>bthomp1,
I have credit for business law, managerial, and financial accounting already. </p>
<p>I think I am going to spread it out between the 2 semesters but ECON-E 370 does sound appealing now that you mention it. How is that class? Also, how is A 100? Why is the grade distribution so low? That class doesn’t look so bad.</p>
<p>If you drop it before the deadline and re-enroll, yeah you can. I know several ppl who dropped A100 first part of the semester (or second part of fall semester) but continued to go, so when they took the class again they were at least seeing the material a second time</p>
<p>Whats so hard about A 100? I took financial accounting in high school, took it again in college and managerial as well. It was just a lot of memorization of rules, not really difficult. I’m also currently doing an accounting internship too, so I’ll have even more knowledge by the time I enroll.</p>
<p>I’ll probably sign up for k 201 this semester forsure though. I’ve been working with excel all day/everyday at this internship. Plus I took a computer class at my previous school that transfers in as CSCI-A 110</p>
<p>A100 is difficult because it’s crammed into 8 weeks, not 16 weeks like a normal class, and also because 95% of your grade is 2 exams. So if you bomb the first one, like many people do because the exams are much harder than you’d think. Exams are 35 MC questions, so it’s not like you can miss a bunch or get partial credit. You wouldn’t be the first person to underestimate A100, and you surely wouldn’t be the last.</p>
<p>Also, working with excel every day isn’t exactly what K201 is, and while your previous class transfers in as CSCI-A100, that doesn’t mean you learned the same material that class would’ve had at IU.</p>
<p>As someone who isn’t a Kelley DA, you should be more cautious about how you approach these classes. You can’t get anything lower than a B, and A100 and K201 are both classes where this is definitely likely. M118 is another potential pitfall as it’s not math that you’re generally used to. All I’m saying is you may want to be cautious as a new student</p>
<p>I know what ya mean, I’m not underestimating A 100, I’m just curious to why it has a history of being so difficult. As for the k 201, I’m just stating I have a general background of what I’ll be dealing with. Which in my opinion, already puts me in a good position for the class. </p>
<p>Your right though about M118, do you think I should take econ e 370 instead, and just use that as my only prereq in math to get into Kelley?</p>
<p>Here is a link to “The Finite Show”, which is about 25 hours worth of finite problem solving by Steve McKinley of IU Math department. You might be able to tell from the videos if your brain is “wired” to do finite; sounds a little eccentric to put it that way, but some people who are otherwise very good in math have a lot of trouble with finite at IUB. And remember, as a non-direct admit, you very likely don’t have the advantage of retaking the class and getting into Kelley, as the W could very possibly, maybe probably, keep you from being accepted to Kelley. Less than forty percent of the 4,100 students who took M118 last fall got a solid B or higher.</p>
<p>You can’t take E370 until you first take and pass M118 finite (Microeconomics is also a prerequisite; so you need it too to take E370). I’m sure Kelley does that to keep M118 the Kelley weed out class that it is, as E370 is a much less quirky class than M118. You could take Finite (and microecon if you need that) this summer at a cc and then be able to take E370 as your “math” class, if you don’t want to take Finite at IUB. I think you would have to get your transcript to the Admissions Office asap after passing finite at a cc in order to have it show up on your transcript in time to take E370 this fall; or, you could get the transcript with M118 credit in at a slower pace, in time to take E370 in the spring. </p>
<p>Since you already have Excel experience, take K201 this fall and X201 in the Spring. Take C104 for the fourth (and easiest) qualifying class for Kelley standard admit application.</p>
<p>Doing well in A100 is about mastering as many practice exams as you can, recognizing all the trick questions the exams use to trip people up and weed them out. Maybe somebody here can send you some past midterms and finals from A100. It isn’t necessarily how much you know, but how prepared you are for the trick questions.</p>
<p>I’ll have to check out “the finite show”. Can I take A 100 before gaining admission to Kelley, or does it have to be before? K201 sounds like a good idea…it’ll be fresh in my mind too. </p>
<p>I didn’t think about taking K201 followed by X201, but that seems like the best way to go now that you mention it.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links and helpful information!</p>
<p>It is recommended to take A100 freshman year, I think, so you don’t fall behind for taking Icore in fall of junior year, but many people don’t take Icore fall of junior year.</p>
<p>Econ is tough for most. I took econ in AP and had to help out my friends. Those questions were tricky and challenging if it’s your first micro/macro econ class. </p>
<p>K201 is easy for most and doable with practice and time. I found that it took more time than the next required computer course x-201 Technology. They really give you a lot of help and is a great class to start with first semester. Not challenging if you are good with computers.</p>
<p>Bus-c 104 is hard for me. I’m not a great presenter. It’s so much harder than you think it is. It was a lot of presentations and most had to be fully prepared with hours of work and no notecards or automatic fail. </p>
<p>C204 might only be for sophomores and you must take C104 first. I’m taking next year. It has a higher distribution because more Kelley students take it(c104 is a mix but most are kelley students) and it’s writing without multiple presentations. The grading on the presentations is tough! and this class is a huge eye opener. Writing resumes/cover letter/ documents in c204 will be a relief in comparison. </p>
<p>M118 is not that hard. but I’m strongest in math. It takes a decent amount of time and Homework might give you headaches but plenty of help. I warn that it is seen by some as a weedout class. </p>
<p>I agree with Soccer girl about A100. I knew it was going to DEMAND all my attention even though I’ve taken accounting in HS and knew most of it. It’s a tricky course and another eye opener. </p>
<p>If your goal is only to get into Kelley, your schedule looks too difficult. It takes only four Icore prerequisite classes (you already have significant college credits) to get into Kelley with guaranteed admission with all solid B’s and higher, and you are taking six classes. Taking extra classes introduces more risk if you are trying to get in via the GUARANTEED route. Maybe your past performance at your previous school eliminates you from using the guaranteed route, I don’t know. </p>
<p>H211 with Diaz is a lot of work. Not sure why you are taking it, as you don’t need any S&H classes. I realize you need credits to be full time, but the Diaz class is a lot of work. You are probably taking it, along with the religion class, to double count A&H and World Cultures gen ed requirement, but I might be more concerned with getting into Kelley and take easier classes.</p>
<p>Don’t know why you would take C204 before C104. C104 is an easier class and will help you develop skills for C104. </p>
<p>Don’t know why you would be taking both finite and E370 on your application, as you don’t need more than one if you are use three from the K201 and E201 group. Just introduces the possibility for more sub-solid B courses. </p>
<p>E201 is very tough at IUB.</p>
<p>Since you are taking six Icore prerequisites over two semesters anyway, I would be tempted to just take 12 credits in the fall and make my application to Kelley then. That would only add one Icore prerequisite to the fall semester, since you are taking three each semester anyway. I would take M118, C104, E201, and K201. Those are all you would need to apply and get your admittance answer in early January.</p>
<p>Bthomp1,
I’m taking REL-A-250/HIST-H 211 to full fill my world culture credits, along with a gen ed I need. The reason I’m taking ECON-E-201 is so I can “unlock” some classes next semester such as ECON-E-370 and BUS-G-202 to keep my options open in case I need more credit hours.</p>
<p>BUS-C 104 was taken so I had to take BUS-C 204.</p>
<p>Do you think I should reschedule my semester and just take what you recommended to get into Kelley, but with BUS-C 204? and maybe BUS-T 175?</p>
<p>That way I can save my 2 world culture classes for later on</p>
<p>I personally think you’re in for a bit of a wake-up call, but ultimately your schedule is up to you. </p>
<p>You may have taken a lot of business type classes at your current school (CC or otherwise), you may have taken classes in HS, you may be interning, etc. etc. but I think you’re biting off a little more than you realize. E201 is hard at IU, and you are currently signed up to take it with M118 (which is a different animal than many have dealt with before) and a work-heavy H211.</p>
<p>Your #1 goal is getting into Kelley. Why would you want to do more work than you have to and risk falling short to accomplish that goal?</p>