<p>Insurance? What is insurance? This would presuppose that he has the money to pay for insurance. And it would presuppose that he cares about ensuring the health of others.</p>
<p>Yes, I have tried to find out if the license was revoked, but no word on that yet. The Uncle showed my husband (they had a meeting regarding “business”) the 5 page document where his doctors said that he was fit to drive.</p>
<p>Your mother may have loved him but that’s no excuse for putting him on the road.</p>
<p>Period. </p>
<p>He’s 93 and you told us before that he doesn’t care what harm he does. There should be no confusion here- age, incompetence, and attitude trump past sister-love. Period.</p>
<p>OP, bear in mind that not having a license or insurance probably won’t stop him from driving. He must also be prevented from having access to a car.</p>
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Unbelievable. What exactly was on a FIVE-page document? </p>
<p>Well, this has been going on since mid-July, so I guess it will continue until he kills someone (or himself).</p>
<p>If he doesn’t have money for insurance I’d say that’s the end of the road. So to speak. </p>
<p>As for a five page document from his doctors–shrug. Child’s play to get that. An actual valid driver’s license, that’s a different matter. </p>
<p>If you can’t get through to the DMV, try the office of your state legislative representatives. Or the non-emergency number for the police.</p>
<p>I agree that no weight should be given to the 5-page document, except possibly calling the Board of Medical examiners if it indeed does declare him fit to drive with his history an md condition. Stay strong with his record, premiums would be over $8,000 per year if there is any company that would even offer it. </p>
<p>Have HIM produce current certification that he is fit to drive from DMV and a recent road test verifying current driving fitness. </p>
<p>Your mom would never want you to enable anyone to kill innocents. That’s what you’re being asked to do.</p>
<p>My mother died over ten years ago at age 86, and I still remember the relief I felt when she died in her bed instead of in her car. We’d tried for eleven years to get her to stop driving. She’d always been a terrible driver, and she got worse as her glaucoma got worse. The state of Florida did not take away her license despite being asked to do so by several doctors.</p>
<p>Dear OP: you’re in a terrible position no matter what you do here. You can live with a bully who is upset with you, or you can let him drive and endanger others. Me, I’d figure out what I was going to do when I was bullied, and I’d stick with it.</p>
<p>“And as mini said, they will go after the deep pocket. Heck, this thread could be evidence of being complicit should you give him the $ for a car.”</p>
<p>It’s more than that. Your insurance company would never contest it. To contest such a suit and lose puts them at risk for hundreds more. So they’ll pay: and then screw you. You’ll never be able to purchase homeowners or liability insurance again, from anyone.</p>
<p>Five page document included (but not limited to) name/address/basic physical that showed how “fit” he is, vision testing (must wear glasses while driving), physical response to danger, change in the terrain…so on.</p>
<p>We (Mr. Ellebud and I) are having a discussion to plan this out. There is something else in the background regarding his “business”. (I know that you can guess what some of the concerns are). Mr. Ellebud said that he won’t represent the Uncle, no matter what. I never liked the smell of gunfire in the morning.</p>
<p>Sounds like you could afford to offer him a car/driver one or two days a week. Did he already turn down that idea?</p>
<p>Please note: the gunfire comment was a joke. As stated this is so multi layered it is explosive.</p>
<p>The Uncle doesn’t like servants (his term, not mine) save for the majordomo that he had back in the day. He doesn’t like…he won’t accept…He will be the one to say that he is fiercely independent. Ultimately this is a tragedy…</p>
<p>Get back to “just say no.”. Clearly, he wants what HE wants. And that’s not reasonable. As we say about children, who are the adults here?
I can’t imagine what leverage would let me put him on the road. You can only control what you can control- and that means no facilitating.</p>
<p>Bevhills—Do you remember the George Russell Weller case?
[CNN.com</a> - Driver charged in fatal farmers’ market crash - Jan. 5, 2004](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/05/farmer.market.crash/]CNN.com”>CNN.com - Driver charged in fatal farmers' market crash - Jan. 5, 2004)</p>
<p>LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) – The Los Angeles district attorney’s office filed charges of vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence Monday against the driver of a car that struck and killed 10 people and injured 63 others at a farmers’ market in Santa Monica last summer.</p>
<p>Attorneys for George Russell Weller, 87, have been notified to surrender their client to authorities at 10:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m. ET) Tuesday, according to a statement from the district attorney’s office. Bail was recommended at $50,000.</p>
<p>If convicted of all 10 counts, Weller faces a possible sentence ranging from probation to 18 years in state prison, the statement said.</p>
<p>The victims were all shopping July 16, 2003, at the market on Arizona Avenue in Santa Monica when the crash occurred.</p>
<p>Santa Monica Police Chief James Butts Jr. said at a news conference in December that after a five-month investigation, authorities believe that Weller hit the gas pedal instead of the brake of his 1992 Buick LeSabre after a minor fender-bender at a nearby intersection, just before his vehicle careered three blocks through the crowded pedestrian market.</p>
<p>The only reason his car eventually stopped, Butts said, was because a body trapped beneath the vehicle slowed it down.</p>
<p>“Mr. Weller was conscious throughout the collision sequence; no evidence exists that Mr. Weller attempted to take the car out of gear; there is no indication of braking throughout the entire collision sequence,” Butts said.</p>
<p>Weller is charged in the deaths of Theresa Bregalia, 50, of the Bronx, New York; Brendon Esfahani, 7 months, Molok Ghoulian, 62, and Cindy Valladares, 3, all of Los Angeles; Gloria Gonzalez, 35, of Venice; Movsha Hoffman, 78, of Santa Monica; Leroy Lattier, 55, a transient; Diana McCarthy, 41, and Kevin McCarthy, 50, both of New York; and Lynne Ann Weaver, 47, of Woodland Hills.</p>
<p>I posted the link to that case in the previous thread about this subject, musica. DS and I happened to be in the area visiting Cal Tech when that happened. Simply tragic.</p>
<p>Your uncle is a pauper, Ellebud. Lets be blunt. He doesnt get to bark orders or make the rules. He’s probably got dementia which makes it harder to deal with, but the subject is NOT open for discussion. Anything you do for him is out of the kindness of your heart, and you are under NO obligation. That said, is your DH an atty? Not remembering why I am thinking that. If so, he does have a responsibility to protect the public.</p>
<p>OP, thank you so much for specifying that your uncle is Jewish in your original post. Crucial info.
And the phrase “one of the wealthiest Jews” shows special sensitivity.</p>
<p>No. Why would you even think of helping him drive? It’s a matter of safety. His and everyone else’s. No.</p>
<p>testobsessed: Why is the fact “crucial” that my uncle (and I and my family) crucial information? To understand (only partially) who my uncle was and is to understand the dramatic fall in his life. He was part of a time where being charitable, and a leader was Important in a Los Angeles that was growing fast. Cliches aside, growing up in Los Angeles is like very small town. I cannot tell you how many times the phrase 1 degree of separation is used.</p>
<p>Yes, Mr. Ellebud is an attorney.</p>
<p>Bevhills, “crucial” it absolutely is not. That was my point. It never occurred to me that the sarcasm could be misinterpreted.
I apologize for being indirect. I found that aspect of your post offensive, and I should have said so directly.</p>
<p>If mr. ellebud is an attorney, then he does have a higher responsibility to protect the public. He is a member of the bar 24/7, even if this has nothing directly to do with any of his cases. IF someone is injured or heaven forbid killed by the uncle’s reckless behavior and it was considered at all that mr E knowingly facilitated the uncle in driving given the uncles history (not believing that medical clearance-- he needs a formal driving eval) someone could file a bar complaint.</p>
<p>It wasn’t…misinterpreted. Got it. I might suggest that you read a few books about the generation that my uncle and mother grew up in and a book about Los Angeles history. It might be illuminating.</p>
<p>I am receiving all his emails to Mr. Ellebud. I am responding. And I am not permitting any money to be given to him.</p>