Discussions of Marriage

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<p>CountingDown, I agree so much! That might be worthy of thought by us future (we can hope) in-laws, becauswe sometimes what appears to be a couple-fight is really a “source family loyalty” fight. COuples get very distressed when they see the two future Moms-in-Law getting tense over details. Often the couple simply doesn’t know what to do, and their parents’ fights become theirs to resolve. And I’m off on the sidelines, thinking, “shouldn’t that one have been a ‘couple decision’ in the first place?” </p>

<p>Weddings might be THE time to back off of the hyper control. Sure we parents all have various friend-invitees or second cousins to deal with, but there can be compromises so all can be happy. I’ve seen some tell the band to do a segment of “classics” followed by a segment of “most modern” for dancing, for example. Other families say, “the band is for the young people” and are happy that way. Compromise is paramount. </p>

<p>My H and I had a klezmer band, and we found them wonderful musically for listening. I do notice that suburban adults don’t know much of the folkdancing other than the one “horah dance” so I’m feeling we need a revival there to accompany this great recovery of the music. </p>

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<p>Church and synagogue wedding receptions (in the usual social hall) have some financial advantages over catering halls, although at first the rooms don’t seem as elegant as the halls so people back away. But there are real advantages: the reception in a house of worship is mostly TAX DEDUCTABLE!!! Also, guests don’t have to drive from the ceremony site to the eating site. For photos, a beautiful sanctuary can frame the ceremony. It’s hard for houses of worship to keep up with the upscale standards for social halls with chandeliers and all, so lots of people decline the plainer social halls of churches and synagogues. Some compensate by using more decor so it’s attractive in a “wedding” kind of way. I’d say at least take a peek at the house of worship’s socializing room to see if it could become an option for you.</p>

<p>We had one family that donated the re-painting and re-flooring of the temple social hall (with her tax deductable donation :wink: so the place would look really great for her D’s wedding. Everybody loves this family today…the benefits continue for us all. </p>

<p>Back to the idea of the couple learning to work together to plan things – I’m reminded of Erma Bombeck who wrote, “You never really know a man until you hang a picture together,” so this IS a good prelude to married life.</p>

<p>Some couples (brides, espec) claim their young man is “clueless” or indifferent to the wedding details, while the grooms-to-be sometimes get very upset when they see their romance overtaken by feuding women from two generations. So, proceed with caution and tap into the guys’ sensibilities, too.
I think they CARE more than they let on – perhaps not about the napkins, but certainly about things like: can we invite very young cousins, nieces, nephews (the guys almost always want to, brides and moms, often not).
The guys care lots about the music. They want their own friends to have a good time, and most classy guys don’t want a bachelor party but arent’ sure how to substitute for the bonding role it does play among their friends.</p>

<p>EVERYONE’s complaining these days about poor manners among guests in RSVP behavior. Some guests don’t understand that they’re paid for by-the-plate with a
caterer, who gives the family a “FINAL COUNT” drop-deadline perhaps a week ahead. So when people suddenly call in unable to attend, they don’t know they’re costing that family some hundreds of dollars for their last-minute absence. I had one cousin accept for her family-of-five, then show up solo at our wedding. Since her caterer didn’t handle things that way, she didn’t think it a problem to waltz in solo like that. </p>

<p>I can hardly wait for my own 3 to start bringing in wedding planning but must wait, wait, wait.</p>

<p>I admit I was guilty of being clueless when we got married. As a male it was a burden to have to pay attention to such annoying details like plate doilies when my wife-to-be was totally consumed with such things.</p>

<p>Then, of course, I was accused of showing insufficient zeal for things nuptial, when actually I am still totally in love with that woman, even after 27 years. I dread the thought of careening through such decisions again and think I’ll contract bubonic plague until it’s all over. ;)</p>

<p>I’m thinking maybe 15 guests and then we’ll have a barbecue in the back yard…</p>

<p>MOWC, and Parent2holes, I am just dropping in here to congratulate you both, and wish the best of luck to the 2 married couples to be!</p>

<p>P2N: DD1 wants the BBQ and dancing in the big tent in the backyard. She and her Dad have yet to compromise on the band. Right now it’s between “The Screaming Orpans”, “Black 47” and “SawDoctors”. </p>

<p>The neighbors will love us…</p>

<p>In the end, at my wedding, I wouldn’t have done anything differently. :slight_smile: There was a lot of family conflict regarding our wedding, more than I will probably ever be comfortable talking about on CC, but in the end everything came together and the troublesome parties stopped being troublesome. Hubby and I learned a lot about conflict resolution (not between us – we actually never fought about the wedding – but between various family members and in-laws).</p>

<p>If you had asked me a few weeks before the wedding what I thought of the way we had done things, I would have told you that I wished we had run off to some island in the Caribbean. Now that the wedding is over, my picture is considerably more rosy – the wedding was indeed one of the best days of my life – but I’m glad I don’t ever have to plan it again.</p>

<p>oh dear, that brings to mind a wedding I went to where for some reason the bride handed out buttons for us to wear that said, “PERFECT!”. Well, wouldn’t you know there were more calmitous moments at that wedding than any other I’d been to! Talk about Murphy’s Law. (sorry to highjack but couldn’t help it!)</p>

<p>I once heard the maid of honor give a toast along the lines of “… and if it doesn’t work out, there are more fish in the sea!”</p>

<p>While in college at Berkeley in the 60’s I sent off for a mail-order ordination in the Universal Life Church. Not a big issue, except that one of my friends knew about it and 10 years later insisted that I preside over his wedding. Word got out, and before I could effectively put out the flames I had presided over a half-dozen or so marriages - including one where the clergyman failed to show up, so I got pulled out from behind the video camera where I belonged and got shoved up to the front to perform the ceremony, which I had to totally fake, because it had been a few years since I’d last done it and I couldn’t remember how it was supposed to go. <a href=“Let’s%20see%20now,%20is%20this%20the%20kiss-the-bride-part?%20%20Did%20I%20do%20the%20%22better%20or%20worse%22%20segment?%20%20Hey%20-%20I’m%20a%20lawyer%20-%20the%20only%20thing%20that’s%20actually%20necessary%20is%20that%20they%20publicly%20state%20that%20they%20want%20to%20be%20married,%20then%20sign%20the%20damn%20license,%20so%20it’s%20all%20good,%20right?%20%20Oh%20-%20wait!%20%20I%20forgot%20the%20ring%20thing!%20%20Sheesh!”>I</a>*</p>

<p>The wedding on the boat in the Angel Island harbor was the worst - drunken sailors on nearby yachts bellowing out “Back out!! It’s not too late!” and nobody on our boat could hear what anyone else was saying until we went below - and then wished we hadn’t because the drunken “best man’s” toast was so grossly sexually insulting everyone was mortified. </p>

<p>Ahh, memories.</p>

<p>My wife and I paid for our wedding 25+ years ago in the Brazilian Room at Tilden Park by UC Berkeley, had a jazz band (Cookie Wong!) and cherry blossom branches for decoration which we swiped from trees growing on the Cal campus. Total cost was about $4K as I recall, and it was nice.</p>

<p>My first wedding (sshhh) was on the beach in Maui, with just the two of us, two friends as witnesses, and the preacher. I’ve been trying to sell this as a concept to my 17 year old daughter (I consider this to be prudent long term financial planning) but have made little progress for the price of bringing up the sordid past. Oh, well…</p>