Do all men, or could, potentially cheat?

<p>“You say to them be a doormat or it’s okay to cheat.”</p>

<p>Hopefully the kids don’t know about the cheating! I agree that you don’t want to model swallowing abuse, but for some couples, or those with smaller children, the kids don’t know what’s going on between the parents. If one parent makes a compromise to keep the family together, the kids don’t necessarily have to know.</p>

<p>Even if the kids do understand what’s going on, if you know that your spouse will fight for half custody, potentially cutting your time with your (young?) children in half…I can’t blame anyone for their reluctance to risk that kind of arrangement. I’m not a mom, but I know that my mom would have reacted to joint physical custody like Dumbo’s mother did when they took her baby away.</p>

<p>–Question: How many women here would stay if they found out that their spouse had a long term affair or multiple one night stands?</p>

<p>Ain’t gonna happen, but. . .I would. For the kids. For financial reasons.</p>

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I would stay. For the kid and the finances. We couldn’t support two houses appropriately, and the kid would suffer. We had a time of difficulty years ago and spoke to lawyers. Since I’m a working mom and always have been, hubby and I would likely split custody. I couldn’t live away from my boy.</p>

<p>I wouldn’t stay. My mom told me that if a man hits you or cheats on you then divorce him.</p>

<p>*“You say to them be a doormat or it’s okay to cheat.” </p>

<p>Hopefully the kids don’t know about the cheating! I agree that you don’t want to model swallowing abuse, but for some couples, or those with smaller children, the kids don’t know what’s going on between the parents.*</p>

<p>Unless the kids are quite young, kids are going to know/find out if the cheating ends the marriage. </p>

<p>While I’m not a believer in sharing a bunch of details with kids, I’m also not a believer in protecting the cheater and misleading the children into thinking the marriage broke up for some non-descript reason that both parents agreed to. The last thing the victim spouse needs is to have the children angry at him/her for the divorce.</p>

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<p>Thanks… but I’m not sure why it’s an usual story. </p>

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Nope. I wouldn’t even stay with my man if he had ONE one night stand. By sleeping with someone else, he broke trust and I would never trust him not to do it again. I might sound unreasonable, but I just could never trust someone after cheating on me and marriages are supposed to be built on trust.</p>

<p>EDIT: I guess I might have to consider family therapy if there were kids involved (and my H had a one-night stand). But I honestly couldn’t see myself staying. This is all in theory though. No telling what would ACTUALLY happen.</p>

<p>Hypotheticals are always tough. Serial one night stands are problematic, especially because they reaise the spectre of potential diseases and possible paternity issues.</p>

<p>I think a lot depends on the relationship and what lead up to the straying/cheating and “Can this marriage be saved?” I know some folks who are married in name only, living separate lives in different households but are officially “married” for financial reasons. </p>

<p>I know if I ever were to remarry, I would lose my share of hubby’s pension and since I have no retirement benefits or significant savings, I would be extremely impoverished. That would be a strong disincentive to ever remarry. I suspect there are some others similarly situated so imagined scenarios aren’t particularly helpful. Fortunately, hubby & I are devoted to one another & our great kids, so neither of us would do anything to compromise that (at least I can’t imagine it, but who knows what the future may bring).</p>

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<p>Assuming I qualify sufficiently to answer, my former spouse had a long term affair that lasted through our entire marriage, with someone who actually predated the marriage. (I think that to the extent my ex gave thought to the propriety of the affair at all, that person was seen as falling under some kind of “grandfather clause” exception to our marriage vows. I guess I must not have been paying attention during that part of the ceremony!) There may have been other people too, but I’m not 100% sure about that.</p>

<p>As it happens, I didn’t know about the affair until after my ex and I separated; the person in question (who was also married) was introduced to me early on as an old friend, and we actually used to get together on occasion. There were signs that I should have picked up on (for example, the time I was told that my ex would be spending the day with friend X, but friend X happened to call that very day and ask for my ex, professing no knowledge of the alleged plans they had together!), but I was sufficiently gullible to always accept my ex’s explanations, regardless of plausibility. It simply never occurred to me that my ex would actually have an affair, even though our marriage was pretty much devoid of intimacy or affection for the last 10 years or so, after my ex stopped finding me physically attractive (at least, that was the explanation I was given.)</p>

<p>So I found out only when a mutual friend in whom my ex had confided told me all about it after the separation, when I was so depressed about what had happened, and was beating myself up so much with self-blame, thinking it was all my fault, that I was close to being suicidal for quite some time. </p>

<p>After I found out, and realized that the affair was ongoing at every point in our marriage, my divorce lawyer tried to talk me into getting a paternity test. I refused; the idea was abhorrent to me, and it still upsets me to think about it. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I ended up changing lawyers. (In case anyone’s wondering, I never had any serious doubts on the subject. J. and I don’t look much alike – except that our feet seem to be precisely identical! – but we’re way too much alike in all sorts of other ways for there ever to have been a question in my mind. He certainly doesn’t look anything like my ex’s “friend.” Fortunately. Disgusting old goat. And even if there were a question, it wouldn’t matter. J. is mine, and always will be, no matter what. )</p>

<p>The thing is, though, that I probably wouldn’t have left even if I’d known about the cheating before the separation. If not having any physical intimacy with my ex didn’t cause me to leave (until I was ultimately forced to leave by threats of telling my shameful secret to the world), then I’m not sure that knowledge of an affair would have caused me to leave either. It’s hard to think of anything, in fact, that would have made me leave the marriage voluntarily if it meant no longer seeing my son every single day. The thought of that was unbearable to me, and the first months after it actually happened were, in many ways, the most difficult time of my life. I think I cried myself to sleep every single night that J., who was only 10 at the time, wasn’t with me. I don’t even like to think about it; it was horrible. </p>

<p>Not to mention that things were – and still are, ten years later – much more difficult for me financially after the separation and divorce, given that I had to support two households instead of one, and continued to pay all of my ex’s bills throughout the 4 1/2-year period it took until the divorce was finalized.</p>

<p>In retrospect, of course, despite the financial burdens and my fears about what would happen to my relationship with my son (fears that turned out to be largely unfounded), I should have left years and years before I did, of my own volition rather than waiting until I was forced to leave. For one thing, I could have started my own journey to self-discovery, and becoming myself (in a way), at a much younger age. But I try not to blame myself too much. Back then, I had no idea what was possible in my life, and would never have believed it if someone had told me it was possible. The way I thought about it, things like that weren’t meant to happen to ordinary people like me.</p>

<p>PS: In case Anudduhmom is still lurking out there somewhere, since I know her view is that because of my history I have no right to say anything even mildly critical of my former spouse (what with the cross my ex has to bear of once having been married to someone like me), I’m by no means suggesting that everything was a bed of roses in my marriage for my ex, either, or that I was without fault. Neither is the case. But in this particular post, I’m talking about my own feelings.</p>

<p>Donna, I am sure I speak for many others on CC who are happy that you have gotten to the place where you can share your story with us and not run screaming into the night.</p>

<p>I think in retrospect many of us wish we had done things differently- or sooner, or later, but we didn’t & all we can do is move forward with who we are.
Sooner or later, may have taken us to a completely different place- and I am not a believer in " pre-destiny" or fate, but I do believe in karma & I think it adds up.
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<p>Of course you can never say never; but I would like to think that I absolutely would not stay if I discovered my husband had a long term affair or one night stands or actually any physical intimacy with anyone other than me. No excuse because that was the only promise we made to each other prior to marriage; if ever there was an outside attraction, we would tell each other prior which really meant end our own relationship first.</p>

<p>"Of course you can never say never; but I would like to think that I absolutely would not stay if I discovered my husband had a long term affair or one night stands or actually any physical intimacy with anyone other than me. No excuse because that was the only promise we made to each other prior to marriage; </p>

<p>Of course I agree 99% with the above statement.</p>

<p>.05% disagree: Because my H values I can say he will not cheat…he also knows how much humiliation acting like that will bring to his kids and family.</p>

<p>-To avoid a H cheat …spice your marriage with love, attention, laugh, keep in shape; cook a special dinner; have soft and romantic music; make your husband laugh often…place your hand around him often, go out together; go to the beauty and fix yourself; rekindle your dating dates…yea, yea, yea… there a few posters that say they don’t care about makeup or to dress nice, much less their husband cares…but believes me that is not the rule or normal couple; the reality for most of marriage couples is that the H cares about how W looks and behave! </p>

<p>.05% disagree:"if ever there was an outside attraction,”
To avoid this a woman or men need to avoid temptations: A woman or man that cheat need to think that at the end she will feel HUMILIATED and DIRTY; it is every day humiliation for those celebrities same for anyone that would cheat.</p>

<p>I think you’re in the wrong thread!</p>

<p>Here is the issue for me- I do not want to live my life either being constantly jealous every time my wife talks to another man. I also do not want to live my life possible being played for a fool. If my wife cheats on me that would seem to be my two options. When if ever can you get that trust back?</p>

<p>Donna, I’m glad “someone like you” is on this board. You’re a great parent and your posts are always insightful. :)</p>

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<p>This may be true some of the time. But as was pointed out earlier, it takes two to make a marriage. A partner also has to have self respect. How far should one spouse go to carry the burden of a marriage (especially without losing self respect)? There is a valid point that a spouse should be engaged in the marriage and in maintaining themselves for the benefit of the marriage, but both spouses need to be engaged, at least over a longer period of time, in trying to make a marriage work.</p>

<p>The thing is that all kinds of men (and women) cheat; including the ones that everyone used to think would never cheat…it is not unheard of, both here and in real life for the devoted family man like the op’s sister who previously were saddened/disgusted/amazed that someone would do this, go out and do it themselves. I can’t put my hand in the fire and say my husband won’t but I know what I will think of him.</p>

<p>Agree with Natmicstef.</p>

<p>For every husband who is cheating, there is a woman who is willing to be the ‘other woman’ in that relationship.</p>

<p>When I see some of my friends who have gotten divorced and then married women they knew all along, I have always got this weird feeling… call it intuition perhaps that there was probably something brewing in parallel before the divorce… </p>

<p>I am amazed these days to see people divorcing after being married for 25+ years! There’s clearly something ‘jazzy bling bling’ that induces these long lived marriages to break. It’s usually the ‘other woman’!</p>

<p>"I am amazed these days to see people divorcing after being married for 25+ years! "</p>

<p>Who knows. Maybe they were unhappy for all those years, stayed for the kids and decided that they wanted a new life while they still had a life to live.</p>

<p>This thread has really caused me to try to remember all the divorces of which I’ve been aware in the last 25 years. I have known several women to leave for (insert reasons other than cheating), but I have NEVER known any man who left without having someone “waiting in the wings”.</p>

<p>*but I have NEVER known any man who left without having someone “waiting in the wings”. *</p>

<p>Pretty much the same here. I’ve seen men “swear” that there isn’t someone else, but when we’ve seen these guys quickly show up with a girlfriend, it’s rather obvious that these relationships began before the marriage ended.</p>