Dual Enrollment Classes

<p>Most of the colleges that we've looked at will not give credit for dual enrollment classes. One or two said that they would, only if it was taken at the college and not at the highschool. My sense is that colleges don't, for the most part, think much of them.</p>

<p>What's been your experience with this?</p>

<p>All of my D's schools will give the DE credit, but mostly as elective credit. Of course we had to submit the official community college transcript. The classes show up on both the high school and CC transcript, and are not denoted as "different" in any way on the CC transcript, though they are taken at the high school. She will have 35 hours at graduation.</p>

<p>My D is applying to well known but not top level private schools (DePaul, RIT). We live in Virginia, and Virgina colleges have an articulation agreement had she gone that route.</p>

<p>We have a mixed bag of yes we will take them, no we won't. Only one school the kids applied to will take the credits in their major, most that take the credits will only take them as elective credits, same policy for AP credits too. We have been told by a couple schools that they look case by case even though the policy is not to take them because our credits are from our state flagship, not the community college system. Where the classes were held has not been an issue (ours are held at our high school for some, others they go to the flagship). Our kids are not taking many DE classes as a result. They are taking Spanish because that is one class that everyone seems to take or will consider for placement. It's funny because it's Spanish 5 at the high school level, but Spanish 1 at the college level, but they ONLY speak Spanish in class, which would not happen in a normal Spanish 1 class in college.</p>

<p>Typically state schools are the only schools with a credit for credit match for DE.</p>

<p>If the course is listed at a community college, state universities are likely to accept it (or not) based on their usual policies on accepting transfer credit from community colleges.</p>

<p>Of the 19 schools that we researched, only the two state schools would have accepted dual-enrollment. All others on his application list would accept AP, though many would not grant credit until he passed a higher level class on the subject. In our state there is a big push to accept dual enrollment within our public systems but for now, APs win out. At least in our state, their are not enough community colleges in close proximity to our high schools to make the requirement of taking the class with a college instructor (as opposed to a high school teacher) feasible.</p>

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<p>Well, the high school and CC can do a sleight of hand by having the CC designate the high school teacher as an adjunct faculty member at the CC.</p>

<p>But perhaps it is not surprising that public and private universities have different attitudes toward transfer credit from CCs.</p>

<p>Public universities see transfer students from CCs as part of their mission, and the CCs often model their courses on those at the public universities, so generous transfer credit policies (which freshmen who enter with CC credits can use) are the result. In addition, every in-state student at a public university costs a state government subsidy, so having generous transfer credit policies allows them to graduate more quickly or avoid delayed graduation.</p>

<p>In contrast, a private university may not want students to graduate more quickly using transfer credit so that it can collect a full four years of tuition money.</p>

<p>Our experiences were just like post 4.
But I'd add that we had to point out what classes were dual-credit to college admissions.
All too often they saw "B" on a H.S. transcript and didn't notice it was a college class that S took while a soph in high school!</p>

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Where are those 19 schools? Are they all in one state?</p>

<p>We choose colleges that would accept the DE credits. This significantly reduced our college costs. We are in no position to take the cost of college off the table for decision-making purposes. </p>

<p>I think that colleges that refuse DE course do it mainly for financial reasons. After all, colleges are a business. And as such, it must turn a profit in order to stay in business. </p>

<p>To the OP, if college costs are a concern for you, then I think you will need to look at other colleges. There are plenty of colleges out there that will accept DE credits.</p>

<p>In researching this for my D, I found that most schools would not take classes taught at the high school by a hs teacher or a class that is needed to fulfill a high school credit ie. US Government. But all of them were more than happy to accept AP classes. All AP's here, school was rather disappointed in her class because of the low numbers.</p>

<p>S2 got an AA from our state's only cc system. Both he and D took/are taking DE classes at HS. There's no way the teacher/curriculum is in any way equivalent to the cc classes in rigor or content, nor are the cc classes equivalent (imo) to those in our 4 year schools.</p>

<p>Our state is having a huge push to make sure these DE/cc credits transfer to public schools. S2 is an '09 hs grad, and we spent a year trying to get the credit to transfer to the cc system and then, it only was counted as an elective.</p>

<p>My top two schools, one $ private, the other state college both take dual classes with a C or above for elective credit.</p>

<p>Most private schools will not take dual enrollment classes. Many public schools in the same state as the DE class will. Some have stipulations such as the class must be taken at the college and can't be used to fulfill any high school graduation requirements. </p>

<p>At the HS s attended, DE was offered for certain courses with a CC. Some of the courses had equivalent APs offered such as US history and English. It was well known that the APs were more difficult than the CC courses. The kids who wanted to go to private schools, ivies or equivalent knew they had to take the APs. The kids who were staying in state took the DE and got easy A's. The only DEs s took were ones where there was no equivalent AP. He said these were worthless when compared to the intro classes at college, i.e college class covered in three weeks what it took a semester to cover in the CC class. </p>

<p>I think colleges may be wary of dual enrollment because there can be such a wide variability. Some are CC classes (at varying quality CC's), some are at four year colleges. A private school may wonder why a DE class was taken when an equivalent AP was available. If it is a class that is not available at the high school then there's usually not a question as to why DE was taken.</p>

<p>OP -- Try checking transfer credit policies on the websites of the schools you are interested in. I found this for my daughter's school:</p>

<p>*In general, in order to be considered for college credit, courses must meet the following requirements:</p>

<p>•Taken at a fully accredited four-year or junior college in the United States or Canada.
•Not included in high school record and were not used for fulfillment of any high school diploma requirement.
•Taken primarily by college students rather than high school students.
•Similar to courses offered for credit at [insert college name here] .*</p>

<p>Also, a friend's daughter was given the same info as above on a recent private school visit. Because she used her DE French class (from a 4-year state school) to satisfy her high school language requirement, she cannot get college credit for it.</p>

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<p>While AP tests are a known quantity, it is also known that some AP courses are "AP lites" which cover only a semester of college work over a year (e.g. statistics, environmental science, psychology, calculus AB). A student may choose to take a CC course (whether DE or at the CC) in order to complete the material in a semester (and high school students taking college level courses that they are interested in should be able to handle that, since they are presumably better students than most college students).</p>

<p>My D. had college class taught at her HS and she received full credit for it. But it was 5 years ago.</p>

<p>None of the schools that my two daughters applied to -- 9 out-of-state private schools and one out-of-state public -- accepted dual credit courses, although all of them encouraged HS students to take them if they were more rigorous that the other options. I should clarify that the dual enrollment courses that my daughters took were all community college or SUNY courses taught in their high school by high school teachers. Some of the colleges they applied to indicated they would have accepted some of the credits if they had been taken at the college and taught by college faculty. </p>

<p>Generally speaking, dual enrollment courses in our area are usually accepted by SUNYs and some state-funded programs at Cornell, as well as at some less selective NYS private colleges. A few private schools in adjoining states (Clark and Northeastern for example) will also accept certain dual credit courses.</p>

<p>My S2 took two dual enrollment classes during his senior yr. Both were taught at the CC by CC instructors. The classes also counted as h.s. credits and were weighted like Honors classes. </p>

<p>The program, run by our county school system, was called The College Experience. The school system paid for the tuition and books and the kids were allowed to come to h.s. late or leave early to fit the CC classes into their schedule. S2 left his h.s. at 12:45 every day his senior yr. </p>

<p>Both classes/credits transferred to our state u. that he attended. One class counted as an elective and the other as a fine arts requirement.</p>

<p>bookreader--for us, DE credits wouldn't reduce the cost of college for our kids. Our state schools are much higher cost then the private schools they applied to after automatic merit aid and while they MIGHT be able to graduate in 4 years at a state school with lots of DE/AP credits, most people we know are NOT, so you are still paying for at least 4 years at a state school or 4 years at a private school that costs less than the state school.</p>

<p>I took dual enrollment courses at a local university in high school because I attended a rural public school which did not have many advanced classes. I don't think I would have gotten into the schools I did had I not done this. I was awarded transfer credit (towards my major) for some of these courses at my school (<).</p>

<p>From what I looked into, most schools DO take transfer credit as long as you did not also receive high school credit for the courses and given that they were taken at a reputable four-year university (not a community college).</p>