Duggars in the news.

I dunno, her parents might take her back as a role model Christian woman who doesn’t tolerate the extent of the issues, that sort of sinning and his apparent inability/unwillingness to change. She wouldn’t be self-indulgently claiming incompatibility. It rocks to the core of her values. Presumably, between the original catch and this one, she tried her best to do the forgive and forget thing, play her role. (And if she didn’t “try,” I could see them telling her to get back in there and fight for his soul.)

The bigger issue would have been them letting her leave the Duggar orbit and fame, her own celebrity. But this latest round really muddies that up.

They both should consider getting tested for STIs, depending on Josh’s level of unfaithfulness.

Madison, no jokes, this is my #1 advice to anyone who discovers that the partner was cheating.

I couldn’t care less what the Duggars do. It doesn’t affect me. What does bother me is that these traditional-value folks are so active in trying to enshrine their religious values in laws which DO affect the rest of us. And then, time and time again, it turns out that they don’t live up to the pure standards they seek to impose on others.

Well, guess the counseling in Little Rock Josh received as a teen didn’t really help, did it? His supposedly youthful molestation of his sisters and the other girls happened when he was an adolescent,so he was old enough to be well aware that his behavior wasn’t acceptable. I also think it is creepy that JB found it necessary to lock the girls in their rooms at night, especially since the brother was supposedly no longer a threat.

Will Huckabee back away from the Duggars now? Probably not because he has too much invested in them. With so much to despise in this whole sordid mess of about 20 years now, I think Huckabee and others confuse forgiveness with not holding someone responsible for his behavior.

Watched sister wives once maybe twice. Yuck. I was surprised that polygamy is part of some conservative Christian beliefs.

Sure makes Toddlers and Tiaras and Dance Moms look like masterpiece theatre.

Ha. It does.

What happened was a federal crime, taking data from servers like that where it is not meant to be public, violates more than a few federal statutes, and given that the internet crosses state lines it is likely that it will be prosecuted at a federal level, not state (I assume states could prosecute as well, of course).

Adultery is on the books in many states, but it is basically unenforcable, it is like laws on the books that don’t allow walking on your hands, that women have to wear hats on sundays, the old Sullivan law in NYC (5 years in the jug for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit), and so forth. In some states is is actionable in divorce proceedings, in others it has no relevance to divorces.

As far as the repressed sexuality within the faith the Duggars practice, or the whole ideas of being worried about males being tempted, that is a common hallmark of many conservative religious practices, there are elements of it in Judaism, Christianity and Islam in there more conservative forms. You see it with Ultra Orthodox Jews who don’t want to sit next to women on airplanes, you see it with conservative Islam where women cannot go anywhere without being escorted by a male relative, you see it in conservative Christianity with attitudes about modest dress for women and so forth. It is based in a concept that men cannot control themselves and women are ‘temptresses’ like Eve. Blaming Anna would be common in these views, since the other part is that a women’s duty is to their husband sexually, and if they cheat, must be because she wasn’t doing her duty…and typically, it says nothing about the women (and before someone goes off about denigrating the religions, I am not, this is strictly man made cultural crap translated into religious belief, the whole women as temptress/male as victim crap is old tribal, misogynistic BS…all three faiths say women are supposed to be modest, but the rest is contrived). There is still a lot of religious belief that is mired in the Medieval and before when it comes to sex and human nature, things like this just highlight that. Instead of recognizing reality and shaping their message to temper the bad sides of sex, they seek to trap it in a tight little box, and it doesn’t work.

It is also interesting reading his statement, it will be interesting if Josh shows true repentance for what he did, and by repentance not the statement he made, which is basically the old “mea culpa mea culpa I have sinned, Lord forgive me”. It means making real amends to those he affected, it means working out why he did what he did, if he is going to have Anna and the kids it would mean not only committing to them but truly making it right…and I hope he does, but I also suspect it may not be likely. One of my problems with elements of this kind of religious belief is that they treat Jesus as a get out of jail free card, they get caught in something, confess, give the weeping thing about how they failed their families and Jesus…then go on their merry way. Ted Hagerty has never fully acknowledged what he did when he got caught with a male prostitute, Jimmy Swaggert got caught with hookers how many times, Ralph Reed of the old Christian Coalition was tied up with the Abrahamoff bribery scandals, and none of them truly repented what they did, they just say Jesus is their savior and that is all they need…which means they will be likely to do it again. People make fun of progressive religious groups, but in things like this IME they emphasize, not the beliefs, not the washing away of sins, but repenting and making amends to those you have wronged, they are often stricter than the more conservative religious groups in that.

As far as people using their work e-mails, yeah, that is stupid or real ones, but that is the way people are,they figure that it will never be seen, and that is the problem. It doesn’t matter whether it is hackers, or the NSA doing data mining, very little is truly secure.

I’m wondering if Josh’s statement deleted the reference to pornography because his choice in porn skewed young. If he was dabbling in under age porn that would hearken back to his prior abuse of his sisters and make him possibly vulnerable to a criminal investigation.

Ashley Madison is not a porn site. It is a site for cheaters. IMO, cheating is a lot worse than looking at porn involving adults, even if the person promised their spouse they would do neither of those things. Poor Anna. Poor little kids.

Look bsck at posts #1293 and #1294 - Josh initially admitted two offenses - an addiction to porn and cheating - an hour later - the stmt was edited to remove the addiction to porn sentence. We understand Ashley Madison is not a porn site. He confessed to both initially.

It is interesting that in media his name is the only one I have heard of that is affiliated with this site. Why haven’t other names gotten the same attention? He seems to be the only one identified.

Has anyone posted this yet?? Anna Duggar BLAMES HERSELF for Josh’s behaviors? Oh for the love of peet.
http://www.ibtimes.com/19-kids-counting-anna-duggar-update-joshs-wife-blames-herself-porn-addiction-2063640

Raclut, the Pope and Al Capone also registered. Taylor Swift. I just deleted the tabs but had googled ‘celebrities’ and ‘Ashley Madison.’

I’m not sure JD’s definition of porn is the same as ours. I can imagine him looking at pictures of women at the beach and labeling it that. Lots unanswered, so far.

Now that I think about it, there’s that old joke about porn, I’ll know it when I see it. But with the Duggar world view, looking at the Macy’s summer catalog may seem like…maybe??

Btw, as of last night, People, which seems to be besties with the Duggars, said Anna has made no public comment (in contrast to immediately supporting him before.) ?

Here is another article:
http://www.people.com/article/family-research-council-slams-josh-duggar-cheating-scandal
(last line of the article)
"As for Duggar’s parents, Jim Bob, 50, and Michelle, 48, they are “absolutely stunned”, the source says: “They just don’t know who this person is who could have done this.”

The head of the Louisiana GOP has also been identified as a client. He said he was only on it for research.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/louisiana_gop_ashley_madison.html#incart_most-read

The guy is not a virgin. I’m betting he knows what porn is.

I think it was actually Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart who coined that phrase about “knowing it when I see it.”

But, no, I don’t think looking at Macy’s catalogs is what Josh was confessing to. Plenty of devout Christians cheat on their spouses and view porn. They’re not all that different from the general population.

And there’s a whole cottage industry of Christian counseling for “men addicted to porn.” Here’s just one: http://www.pureheartministries.net/

Research? LOL!

Research. Riiight. Thats like the piano player in the lobby of the whorehouse saying they didn’t know what was going on upstairs…

it was research his firm was doing. With his personal credit card. Right.