Duggars in the news.

He is the first public figure caught cheating who has acknowledged that he needs treatment and is seeking counseling. I can’t recall any cheating politician, movie or TV celebrity who has done either.

I’ve never understood this. It seems, then, that, no matter what you do during your time on earth, as long as you repent on your deathbed at the last minute so Jesus forgives you, you’re good for Heaven.

http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-all-about-josh-duggar-wife

Source claims Anna’s parents are even more extreme than Jim Bob and Michelle.

That Reformers facility sounds a lot like a prison. To that extent, perhaps it’s not so bad for this guy.

True re Anna’s parents - I remember having that impression from watching the Duggar show when Josh and Anna were courting and married. BUT - she does have a few siblings who are more rebellious and have broken away from the family - check out Susanna, Rebekkah and Daniel Keller. Susanna had a baby in 2013 out of wedlock - and did not marry the father. Rebekkah lives in Texas I believe and does her own thing - and we saw Daniels’s posts on FB. So - if Anna wants out - I think she does have some options.

Disturbing in that People article post # 1442:
"When Anna, now 27, met Josh at a Christian homeschooling convention back in 2006 when she was a teen, she wasn’t allowed to gush about him to her siblings. “That’s not something that’s shared amongst siblings,” says the source. “They always got 15-minute, one-on-one sessions with their mom every week. That was the time to share their feelings, but other than that they had to keep their feelings to themselves.”

15 minutes a week to share emotions??!

^I saw that - horrifying.

Here’s a link on Susanna Keller:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/12/duggar-family-susanna-keller-wont-say-name-on-air/

^^they probably don’t want the siblings swaying the young person one way or the other. Not saying I agree with that tactic though.

I can’t even imagine how Anna feels right now. She just had a baby last month. :confused:

The good thing is hopefully Anna will be apart from Josh for 6 months. I hope that will give her time to reflect on what she wants to do. I don’t think this type of rehab is going to do any good for him. I think he will be faced with these issues lifelong and they are not going to get resolved if he stays amongst his family. Who knows maybe more women may speak out about their relations with this man. I hope one day Anna realizes that if she stays with this man she is stuck badly for life.

Pieces of this remind me how some watch Jinger’s every move, have been sure for several years that her bags are already packed and she’s going off to NYC. And former speculation about dear, sweet, shy Jana headed for college. We have to realize these kids are not wildly dissatisfied, their yardstick is nothing like ours. For all the gripe about how restrictive the family is, they get a lot of positive reinforcement- both through the “group identity” thing and from adoring fans. They may even be happy.

I don’t think Anna is going anywhere. She’ll spend the next 6 months reading her religious lit, playing her role and looking forward to the return of her man. Lots of women who were raised with more freedoms welcome back their guy from prison or stick with difficult abuse or distrust. Some of them may even be our neighbors.

I don’t think they’re all unhappy either; in fact, they have gotten a great deal of social reward in some respects.

That’s what so fascinating about Jennifer Mathieu’s novel Devoted. It seems like some personalities mesh well with the very rigid, legalistic fundamentalism. But others do not. And the ones that don’t flame out dramatically in some instances. Her novel captures that dynamic.

I feel like there is some sort of cognitive dissonance or something going on with Josh, which is why he has behaved so stupidly, and in ways that don’t even make any sense.

^^ He never received proper treatment/therapy as a teenager and now his issues have become bigger.
It must be difficult living one way of life but being exposed to the outside world which is very different.
There maybe inner conflict when making decisions when influenced and exposed to both worlds and trying to decide which influences to live by.

I don’t have an exact quote but I have always heard that which is forbidden is always very attractive.
He grew up in such a restricted environment that would make someone rebel and want to experience life outside of what he has grown up in. If he was told to look down when an attractive woman passed by wouldn’t a boy be tempted to look up and catch a glimpse.

I’m curious - what’s the back story on Jinger and wanting to go to NYC? I know about Jana/College but not Jinger.

So they are saying Josh will be at rehab for 6 months? That’s a good chunk of time to be away from your very young children - can’t get back those 6 months with a newborn. :frowning:

I think Josh probably was normally curious about girls and about sex when he was a teenager, but he wasn’t allowed to satisfy that curiosity at all. He tried to do what his parents and the Church told him to do, but it was too hard for him to comply – hence, abusing his younger sisters. I really think that he’s still just being curious. But I also think that now that the cat is out of the bag, so to speak – in other words, now that he’s had different sexual experiences – he’s not going to be satisfied putting that cat back in the religious bag. And by that I mean, he’s not going to be satisfied only having sex with his Church-approved, Daddy-approved little wifey Anna for the rest of his life.

There’s a whole web site called “Free Jinger.”

" whatever you do, Jesus forgives you and that is all you need"

I really had to laugh (sorry) when I heard from a Protestant friend that Catholics can sin all they want, and it didn’t matter, they could just go to Confession and erase the sin.

Because they also say that as long as Protestants accept JC as their Lord and Savior, their sins will be forgiven. Don’t even have to say a Hail Mary or Our Father.

Religion done be weird. And some kind of competition, apparently.

If I were the wife, I’d be very, very concerned about leaving my daughters in his care. The wife may have felt that he put the past sex abuse behind him, but with these new revelations have to have her terrified about the safety of her kids. She has to be thinking that he hasn’t changed after all. (Do they have girls?)

I used to watch “19 Kids and Counting” on occasion (while channel surfing). I always thought that the kids seemed well adjusted. I thought it would be nice if you could have such a well-run household and well-behaved children without the religious nutso factor. Now I can see that things were not as they appeared after all. As for Josh, I think that his problem is not so much a porn addiction as a result of his sexually repressed upbringing, but more that he may be a sociopath. I am not an expert on this, but if you read about sociopaths and their behavior the definition seems to fit Josh. He appears to not have a conscience, or care about how his behavior will affect others (his wife and kids, his family’s TV show). I believe that he is “sorry” that he got caught, but not sorry for his actual behavior. He knows the right things to say to sound humble and apologetic to his family, but I doubt his sincerity. If he does have some sort of personality disorder then Anna should just throw in the towel now - or else she is in for a long ride with more heartbreak along the way. Hopefully Anna has had an opportunity to get the full story (Ashley Madison and other similar sites, the fake facebook page, the porn star - and her strange report of his behavior). Scary stuff.

Re Jinger - in a televised interview - Jinger made a comment about wanting to live in the city. The interviewer asked if she meant a major city like NYC - and Michelle jumped in to say Ginger wanted no part of NYC - she just wanted to be closer to a Walmart!

Found the quote:

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2112832/jinger-duggar-wanted-to-leave-home-for-big-city-was-told-to-stay-with-abuser-brother-josh-instead/#SHE7e379vwxUGBeO.99

Am I confused about the ages of some of these children?

Because I thought, you know, once you are 18, you can leave home and be on your own, and Momma can’t make you not move to a city?

Momma says “my daughter meant X, Y, and Z”. Ugh. And to think CC parents are considered helicopter?