Duke ($25k a year) vs Duke Kunshan in China ($25k a year) vs Tulsa (full ride + $24k stipend)?

Hey all! I need help deciding- I was accepted to Duke and it will cost around $25k a year for full attendance, Duke Kunshan which will also be like $25k a year, and Tulsa University with a full ride + $6k a year for my own use. A few considerations:

Duke pros: extremely recognizable, close-ish to home, programs/research opportunities, pretty campus, great food, weather, school spirit, opportunities for doing interdisciplinary studies
Duke cons: Expense, might be a competitive culture, campus is huge

Duke Kunshan pros: A Duke-affiliated school (I’ll get a Duke degree) in China and it’s a 20 min bullet train ride from Shanghai and Suzhou. The weekends are 3 days long and living in China is way cheaper then the US so I could travel a lot. Based on current student experience, I’d be fluent in mandarin by the end of 4 years. Very international and interesting student body - 30% of students are international from all over the world, and the 70% Chinese are also choosing to go to a school in their second language. Campus/buildings are brand new.
Duke Kunshan cons: most likely, a HUGE culture shock. 12 hour time zone difference from family, long flights (I’d only be able to go home summer and maybe winter break). There would be less focus on actual study of my major (more time to mandarin and adjusting to culture). Mandarin is really hard (I took a class in 9th grade – I at least have some exposure though). Very new university, not well established and many professors are just visiting/teaching for like 1-2 years. A lot of the professors are international, which could be really cool, but it might be harder to understand or connect with them. I’ve never been to China and it could end up being really mentally exhausting. No options for double majoring or minoring (You pick a general major and then get a concentration within the major).

University of Tulsa pros: The financial aid package is great haha, I’d net gain about $24-30k. It has been very personalized - even on my prospective student tour I got to meet individually with 3 different professors for like an hour each, one of which was the chair of the CS department and who said I could start working with his group on research this summer if I wanted to. He also mentioned the likely possibility of me getting paid to research, which is super unique esp in undergrad. Pretty small school and small class sizes. If I chose, I could double major in cs and Spanish and live abroad in Spain for a year doing classes and an internship in Spanish (so I’d become bilingual in English and Spanish). Seems really easy to get involved in interesting research and work directly with professors.
University of Tulsa cons: Relatively speaking it’s not super diverse, a majority of the students are from Oklahoma/Midwest. It likely won’t have the same pervasive academic interest/culture you’d get at somewhere like Duke or Duke Kunshan. Weather at Tulsa compared to Duke/DKU is worse (ice storms, h tornadoes, hot summers). Campus and food is ok, but compared to Duke/DKU it doesn’t really stand out. It’s far from my home but close to extended family. Doesn’t really have name recognition, strong school spirit/pride, or reputation like somewhere like Duke.

For context: I’m planning on majoring in Computer Science, but it’s not set in stone. I’ll probably go to graduate school and study a different field in grad school - I’m interested more in the applications of CS to fields like psychology, art, climate change action, healthcare, education, decreasing the digital divide, etc, or in something like AI policy making and regulation, so I want a technical background but I’m not super interested in just do CS/coding all day if that makes sense. I’d really like to double major or minor to get experience in interdisciplinary interaction.
My parents haven’t saved money for my college but they said if there is one place that I really want to go to, we can try to figure out how to do it without me going into crazy debt - I’d probably have to work during college and summers or take out some loans if I went to Duke or DKU though.

Sorry, this ended up being really long haha. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, thank you!!!

2 Likes

FWIW, at Tulsa, you could also do this: International Engineering/Science & Language - The University of Tulsa, and they would cover the fifth year as well. (The fourth year is spent abroad.) CS is one of the available STEM majors. French, Spanish, and German are the languages they’re set up for, but the catalog says that Chinese and Russian are also possible as self-designed majors. Also, the student body at Tulsa is something like 25-30% NMF, because so many students like you are won over by the amazing scholarship. So it’s a pretty strong cohort.

Congrats on the amazing offers!

7 Likes

I’m biased as a Duke alum, but if you can afford it, Duke, hands down. I wouldn’t pay the same for DKU as Duke. If the money will be a stressor, go to Tulsa.

Consider that you (like anyone entering college) are likely to change your major as you discover new interests. That’s what’s great about the American university approach. So don’t make your decision entirely based on major, even though Duke is excellent for CS. Being around really bright, driven students will challenge you. Being in a location that isn’t adding to your stress is likely to allow you to rise to that challenge.

As an aside, it is not remotely unique to get paid for undergraduate research. It’s a work study job option nearly everywhere.

6 Likes

Figure it out now with them before the deadline to decide. If not feasible, then take the full ride.

2 Likes

I had one kid that was offered a full ride and two I helped (they received great scholarships, but not full rides). None needed to take any loans. But it was a very different relationship with the one on a full ride.

With the other two, every semester we’d get together to pull money from here and there to pay the bill, we’d file a FAFSA, etc. There was financial dependence on mom and dad.

The full ride scholarship gave the other kid his independence. It felt like he soared out of the nest.

In addition to calculating the strain on your parents’ finances and monthly payments on whatever debt you might take, weigh it against the freedoms a full ride can offer, too.

4 Likes

I normally say take the free ride
However, in this case Duke for 25K if you can afford it is the clear winner

5 Likes

Check requirements to maintain your scholarships at Duke and Tulsa. Sounds like you’d have a lot of personal attention at Tulsa.

1 Like

I agree that you should either go to Duke (NC) or Tulsa, depending on what is affordable.

2 Likes

DUKE 25k is real bargain

3 Likes

Tulsa at no cost is too. Their award is amazing.

Award

  • Full tuition (excluding summers) for five years or until an undergraduate degree is earned. Students must maintain a minimum of 15 hours of coursework per semester. The National Merit Semifinalist Package cannot be stacked with other TU funding or scholarships…
  • Tier I Housing (upgrades are available at your expense)
  • Tier II Dining (upgrades are available at your expense)
  • Standard Student Fees
  • Textbooks (all incoming students receive free textbooks for the entirety of their undergraduate years)
  • Secured spot in Leadership TU led by President Brad Carson
  • A minimum $750 scholarship for National Merit Finalists from the National Merit organization. Renewability is based on the type of National Merit funding received.
  • $6,000 monetary gift per year (funded by the Oklahoma Regents or the TU Board of Trustees)

** A portion of your supplemental scholarship paid for by the National Merit Scholarship Corporation and Oklahoma State Regents will be applied to your student account within the first six weeks of each semester.*

9 Likes

Getting into Duke is rare , not every NMF will get into T20’s and duke may be in T10

3 Likes

In your situation, I wouldn’t pay 25K/year for Duke Kunshan. I would either go for Duke in NC, or take the full ride at Tulsa, and do the fully-funded international dual-degree program if I wanted a more intensive international experience and fluency in a foreign language. Either is a phenomenal option! How much total debt would you have to carry, for Duke?

4 Likes

It looks like the OP and parents need to figure out if $25k/year is financially doable before the OP chooses a college.

3 Likes

25k a year for Duke is amazing but is it affordable?
Typically, you’d take 5.5k in federal loans and would probably have 3.5k in work study to help pay for incidentals (you have to find the on campus job of course). You could try working part time till the end of the school year and full time over the summer. That leaves ~12k for your parents to come up with from their current income, would that be feasible?
Duke is a unique, incredible environment with great company ties for CS students- so, assuming you applied because you love Duke and feel lucky you got in, if you can afford it, go for it.
(Not Duke Kunshan though - you wouldn’t even have access to a lot of apps and systems due to censorship.)
If not financially doable (or if you don’t want to bother with working and taking loans), you can take the amazing package at Tulsa and even do the international degree for free. It sounds absolutely amazing and exactly what you’re interested in. And, after that experience, with a CS degree+ internships/experience, you’ll find a job :slight_smile:

4 Likes

Agree with others that Duke Kunshnan is not worth considering.

If Duke is comfortably affordable (no or minimal loans, no hardship) then that is fantastic. If not, I’d take the extremely generous scholarship at Tulsa.

Congrats on the acceptances!

3 Likes

Have you been to China? Unless you did and loved it, please reconsider…
DD’s friend was crazy about China and Chinese until she visited. She studied Chinese for about 6 years I believe. After a trip she totally stopped to study Chinese…
I visited China. I would never send my children to China to study even for free. I do not care will diploma say Duke or Harvard… Absolutely not…
If you want to go to China just visit… Believe me, it would be enough…

1 Like

If your parents can figure out majority of cost go to Duke, NC.

1 Like

OP: You have three life changing options to consider. Clearly, the biggest risk would be to attend Duke Kunshan since you are unfamiliar with living in China.

Since you have no clear preference, I would force a decision by requesting more money from Duke for either or both programs. If no more money is offered, then the University of Tulsa should be given strong consideration.

Do not underestimate the value of being an American educated in China and becoming proficient in the Mandarin dialect / Chinese language and familiar with Chinese culture. You should develop worldwide contacts of which the most valuable are likely to be based in China.

If interested in attending medical school, Duke Kunshan has an arrangement with the National University of Singapore (NUS).

If you elect the Duke Kunshan option, but decide to leave, can you “transfer” to Duke University ?

Duke Kunshan is an incredible opportunity to engulf yourself in a new culture at an age during which your world view is capable of tremendous growth. The most difficult and riskiest option may also lead to the most rewards as almost every major US corporation as well as the US government & NGOs will want to hire you.

2 Likes

I do not agree with @Publisher on this.
People pay a lot of money to escape China. China is not Japan or Europe. It is totally controlled environment. You will not even have access to most of internet. You can’t say anything against government. You can make wrong step and end up in prison…
Value of Chinese is also very limited. You have so many Chinese immigrants who would know Chinese better than you.
Again I would not send my kids for free to China (Duke or Harvard)…And you have actual Duke, NC…

7 Likes

…And with the Tulsa offer, OP can spend a semester or 2 in 2 different places in the world or even spend a year abroad for free, in a less controlled/controlling environment. Navigating 4 months thinking about where you go, what you say, and in particular whether what you do/say will get you or friends in trouble, is not easy but can be managed. It’s hiwever impossible to stay guarded and on your toes for 4 years.

6 Likes