<p>God, ead. I really feel bad for you. You’re so engrossed in some Duke fantasy that you need to bash other schools to make yourself feel better. Did you get rejected everywhere else or something?</p>
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<p>Seriously? Duke has been experiencing a yield rate of 43-44%. Cornell’s yield has been in the 46-47% range. Although early decision may be playing some roll in this, your use of the “probably much better” phrase exemplifies your complete divorce from reality.</p>
<p>As for the Asia connection, Cornell has longstanding historical ties to Asia, stemming from the University’s role in the South Asian Green Revolution, the fact that the Kroch and Johnson collections are widely believed to be among the best Asian collection of literature and art in North America, and that Cornell has been educating students from Asian backgrounds for well over a hundred years. </p>
<p>I’m not completely up to date on Duke’s institutional connections to Asia, but I would surprised if they surpassed Cornell’s.</p>
<p>Michigan has ties to China dating back to the 1880’s.
[History</a> of the University of Michigan and China | 2005 China Visit | University of Michigan](<a href=“http://www.umich.edu/pres/china/university-of-michigan-and-china-history/]History”>http://www.umich.edu/pres/china/university-of-michigan-and-china-history/)</p>
<p>PA Cornell 4.6
PA Duke 4.4</p>
<p>PA is only one element of a school. Its not even close to what matters for undergrads</p>
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<p>Ya’ gotta be kidding, right? Suggest you ask one of your profs, any prof…</p>
<p>I know that slipper1234. But then again, I’m not the one proclaiming my school is better than Cornell or Michigan or Chicago or…</p>
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<p>I was dead serious when I said that Duke had no name in Asia. A handful of top U.S. schools, such as Duke, Dartmouth, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Emory, Notre Dame, UVA, Northwestern, etc, are virtually unheard of in Asian region. I bet more people would be far more impressed with UCLA or UC Berkeley degree than Duke’s. Also, UChicago, Cornell, Penn, Columbia, along with HYPSM have prominent school reps in Asia. Don’t call me ignorant if you don’t know jack. Like I said b4, if u don’t believe this, may be u should ask Asians, not Asian Americans, about this topic. Or, get off to study abroad program and find out yourself. And then tell me.</p>
<p>"It’s fine that Cornell has multiple schools but that doesn’t mean it’s right for you to think that aspiring farmers and hotel managers should have lower SAT scores than a pre-med or pre-law student. "</p>
<p>Why shouldn’t they? Stephen Colbert is a proud NU alum (we were there together); he was in the theater program; is he less clever / relevant / interesting because he might not have gotten high math SAT’s? Should that still matter? Should the math SAT’s matter all that much for any of our top-notch journalism, theater, r/tv/f or music students? </p>
<p>It’s like guys in a locker room comparing size … except using SAT scores as their measurement. Give it up!</p>
<p>LOL. You go Pizzagirl! ;-)</p>
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<p>This is all bs. Sure, Asians care a lot about medicine and engineering. But, Econ/business is another area that Asians are crazy about. Why do you think that Asian parents “worship” Wharton, UChicago, Harvard B-School? Business/Econ, medicine, and engineering are usually the big 3. Also, nice way to generalize Asians as saying “Asians only care about engineering and medicine.” There are many Asian artists, musicians, politicians, etc, you know. And, yes, Duke has excellent programs. But, the reality is that Duke is not a well known school at all in Asia. How many times do I need to say this? Stop coming up with some bs and making your own conjectures, against reality. </p>
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<p>I was born in Korea, lived there for over ten years, lived in Japan for 4 and a half years, have gone to these regions for at least a month every summer break last 4 years. Basically, I only attended part of my hs here in US. Before then, I lived my entire live in Asia. Not to mention, my friends, their parents, even school teachers did not know schools like the ones I mentioned. Even my dad, who is a law professor at one of the top schools, does not quite know well about Duke along with other professors in Korea.</p>
<p>“How someone can sit back and pretend that IB isn’t a highly sought after career to which many aspire is beyond me.”</p>
<p>No one said IB isn’t a highly sought after career to which many aspire. However … if School A sends fewer kids to IB than School B because School A has students with a WIDER RANGE OF INTERESTS who have broader lives than IB, that doesn’t make School B “better.” Frankly, a school dominated by a bunch of IB wannabes sounds like a horrible place – and I’m someone who turned down Wharton, LOL.</p>
<p>It’s tough to prove in a specific region what colleges are well known so lets turn to the authority on world college rankings: Times Higher Education.</p>
<p>[QS</a> Top Universities: Top 100 universities in the THE - QS World University Rankings 2007](<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2007/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/]QS”>http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2007/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/)</p>
<p>I take back what I said about Chicago since its more well-known around the world among educated circles although Duke has more layman prestige. They are true peer schools. However, Cornell and Michigan on the other hand…</p>
<p>Duke=13
Cornell=20
UMich=38</p>
<p>I win.</p>
<p>Asian countries tend to send many students to top grad schools in the sciences and business. Also in most asian countries grad school and undergrad are one and the same. The notion of an “undergrad” school is foreign and the concept that undergrad prestige is more important than grad prestige is as well. Thus in asian countries places like Berkeley are touted while schools like Brown, Amherst, and Dartmouth are overlooked.</p>
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<p>We were talking about Asia, weren’t we? Why are you citing a British-based ranking? Here is one ranking of World univerisities from an Asian source:</p>
<p>[Top</a> 500 World Universities (1-100)](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm]Top”>http://www.arwu.org/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm)</p>
<p>Also, the rankings may not necessarily correlate with that institution’s fame/name recognition. Like you brought up yourself, UChicago isn’t very well known in U.S. Yet, it is ranked #9 in U.S. rankings. Also, even in U.S., Dartmouth, IMO, isn’t very well known.</p>
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What about the students at Arizona State? They are world-class drinkers enrolled in the best party school in the nation; are they less clever/relevant/interesting because they might not have gotten high verbal SAT’s? Should that still matter? Should the verbal SAT’s matter all that much for any of our top-notch shotgunners, funnel chuggers, 10/15/21 cup pong champion students?</p>
<p>Should the truly frattastic schools in our nation be held to these ridiculously high SAT standards? Why do schools like ASU have to reject fratstars just because they have a 3rd grade vocabulary? Some people just don’t want to be i-bankers you know. Does that make them any less important?</p>
<p>Again trying to manipulate things are you? EAD, the Times, SJTU and NW have all published “global rankings”, and all three of them are very questionable. Let us face it, the Times ranks Stanford all the way down at #20 in the World? Newsweek has Princeton all the way down at #15! SJTU also has its oddities. Let us face it, those rankings are hardly indicative of true global reputation. </p>
<p>But even if you believe in thos highly questionable rankings, on average, all three universities have identical reputations. From my personal experience, having lived in France, Germany and the UAE, Cornell and Michigan are more well regarded than Duke. In England, Duke, is very highly regarded. I am not sure about East Asia since I have never lived there. </p>
<p>Anyway, here are the rankings mentioned above:</p>
<p>Newsweek:
Michigan = 11 (#9 in the US)
Duke = 14 (#12 in the US)
Cornell = 19 (#14 in ths US)</p>
<p>[chris</a> uggen’s weblog: newsweek top 100 global universities](<a href=“http://chrisuggen.blogspot.com/2006/08/newsweek-top-100-global-universities.html]chris”>Chris Uggen's Blog: newsweek top 100 global universities)</p>
<p>SJTU:
Cornell = 12 (#10 in the US)
Michigan = 21 (#18 in the US)
Duke = 32 (#25 in the US)</p>
<p><a href=“http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm[/url]”>http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm</a></p>
<p>Times:
Duke=13 (#8 in the US)
Cornell=20 (#12 in the US)
UMich=38 (#17 in in the US)</p>
<p>[QS</a> Top Universities: Top 100 universities in the THE - QS World University Rankings 2007](<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2007/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/]QS”>http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2007/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/)</p>
<p>AVERAGE RANKING:
Cornell = 17 (#15 in the US)
Duke = 20 (#15 in the US)
Michigan = 23 (#15 in the US)</p>
<p>Like I said, Identical.</p>
<p>As this senseless debate rages on, everybody please keep in mind that you’re arguing with an 18 or 19 year old who has only recently emerged from the cocoon of childhood. </p>
<p>This need for superiority is very typical behavior for this machismo age (especially amongst males). So too is it a common reaction from someone who was waitlisted for the least selective of the Ivies.</p>
<p>If he cannot even understand why a test taken by 16 year olds that caters to the wealthy is not indicative of success in any number of professions, then he certainly will never understand the reasons why Duke is not superior. </p>
<p>Let him go in peace. He will grow up soon enough.</p>
<p>“What about the students at Arizona State? They are world-class drinkers enrolled in the best party school in the nation; are they less clever/relevant/interesting because they might not have gotten high verbal SAT’s? Should that still matter? Should the verbal SAT’s matter all that much for any of our top-notch shotgunners, funnel chuggers, 10/15/21 cup pong champion students?”</p>
<p>I thought that was Dooooooke, where they have the most AWESOMEST frat parties and NEVER run out of beer like those inferior schools do! (burp) </p>
<p>You represent Duke very poorly. It’s a good thing I know people I think highly of who have gone there; otherwise, I’d be less than impressed if I thought they were all like you.</p>
<p>“Asian countries tend to send many students to top grad schools in the sciences and business. Also in most asian countries grad school and undergrad are one and the same. The notion of an “undergrad” school is foreign and the concept that undergrad prestige is more important than grad prestige is as well. Thus in asian countries places like Berkeley are touted while schools like Brown, Amherst, and Dartmouth are overlooked.”</p>
<p>This is always such a yawner anyway, because what the people in Asia think of American colleges is about as irrelevant as what the people in Belarus or El Salvador think of American colleges. I’m supposed to care what people in Asia think … why, again?</p>