Experiences with holding kids back based on birthdate (when entering kindergarten)

@doschicos, you wrote, " I’ve noticed a creep to get this perceived advantage at the schools my kids have attended. First it was kids right near the cutoff. Now it is kids months before the cutoff."

I hope people realize that plenty of kids have actual deficits and delays. We did not send our kids late for any “perceived advantage” but to give them a fighting chance to catch up. Yes, we could have sent them to K “on time”, and they would have been pulled out of their regular class ten times a week to get various therapies. Or they would have needed to attend a self-contained classroom meant mostly for children with behavioral difficulties. Instead, we kept them in morning pre-K an extra year and they did the speech, OT and PT in the afternoons (exhausting stuff by the way).

Our kids were still pulled out of their classrooms in elementary school, but not so much that they couldn’t be a part of the class community. They also needed about 100 hours of outside tutoring for kids with language learning disabilities in order to learn to read.

In my mind the “creep” is in more and more academic material in younger and younger grades. To succeed in our school district, a student needs to be reading and writing by 1st grade if not before. I feel lucky and grateful that we could afford another year of pre-k for our kids, and that our school district offered them terrific early intervention services during that time.

@3SailAway Of course. Nobody is questioning legitimate reasons. However, many of us have seen folks holding their kids back for perceived advantages, as evidenced by the discussions shared by the OP in his initial post. Things like sports, for example. I think it is part and parcel of many parents looking to get some kind of edge in competitiveness for their kids. That’s definitely a separate issue from a teacher/specialist and parent recommended delay due to academic and behavioral reasons.

When it is very rare to find ANY on-age boys with birthdays between May and August in a grade, that to me is evidence of creep more than legit behavioral/academic issues.

Each school district sets their own guidelines as well, of course. I’m thankful that ours seems to be somewhat mindful of letting kids be kids even though it gets good results. For example, there is no expectation that kids need to be reading and writing by first grade. Some are, most aren’t. My kids didn’t prior to 1st nor did I 50+ years ago. We are all of above average intelligence and have done perfectly fine without the frenzy. Once the lightbulb clicked on, progress was speedy surpassing those pushed to learn to read early. I’ve heard about the same thing in math for other school districts in the middle school years - pushing kids to advanced levels early. Ours has actually pulled back on that stuff as they found many were advancing but missing real understanding of some concepts that come better if just slowed down a little and learned in due time. I wish parents and schools would relax on that front but that’s a topic for another thread I guess.

Ok - I have not read all responses to this but I do have thoughts. Our state has a Sept 1 cut off. I have a junior with an October birthday. I have a younger daughter with a June birthday. I teach and lead groups of kids through teens regularly. I tutor as well. My oldest tested as profoundly gifted in kindergarten. He went to kindergarten and first grade and then we pulled him to home school. He is currently a dual enrolled junior graduating next year. Note that he is OLD for grade. He will turn 18 right after his senior year starts. My youngest has a similar profile but we did not have her tested. I am active in some GT programming for youth.

Anyway - I had a gifted kid in a school in early elementary. I get that is hard when your kid is ahead. My kid was reading Harry Potter in first grade and nagged his first grade teacher about learning fractions and multiplication. The same kid would talk all day and run outside for hours and hated writing. I had a bunch of people telling us to grade skip him. And he was already dreading school and the structure of it. We tried homeschooling him for a year while my younger kid was still in preschool and I was home. That was a very natural fit for him. He was a very happy kid and he soared.

When both my kids hit puberty during the middle school years, it was tough. They weren’t organized. They weren’t motivated. They had no interest in talking about their future or college or jumping through hoops. They needed some brain dead years. And not that they weren’t reading and learning those years. They just did not need the pressure of high school grades any earlier than they got there. I was ready to skip my oldest up but I was never going to make that decision before he got through puberty. And because we were homeschooling, we had that luxury. My son has friends that are graduating this year that are only 2-3 months older than him. I know at least 3 parents of graduating seniors this year who have regrets about pushing their kid ahead. I know one young man who was pushed ahead who just refused college entirely. Which is fine, but considering he was reading at 3, it’s a shame he burned out on school before he probably really started to engage in it.

I’ve also had groups of kids where the youngest kids were academically ahead. But those kids would not engage the same as the older kids in the group. They didn’t have the give and take. They didn’t pick up on social cues. They often annoyed the older kids and the older kids did not consider them peers. Participating in a group setting is more than just your reading or math level. Don’t get caught up in numbers and levels with your child. Really look at how they engage in the world around them.

As with most things, I think it depends on the child. I think it depends on the school and it’s expectations and it’s flexibility. Sports has NEVER been a consideration at are house. We are so not athletic here, that is just not even on our radar. I do think if you have a kid that is ahead, that can especially be a challenge in elementary school. Especially for a kid who isn’t particular a hoop jumper or a rule follower. My kid had a “rep” when we pulled him out of first grade to homeschool. But I also think a straight grade skip isn’t necessarily always the best solution either. It’s hard to know in a pre-puberty kid if that’s really the right call or not. I know people who’ve homeschooled for a year just to undo a grade skip or just planned hard for a gap year after high school.

My son with the October birthday was in the middle of the age range of boys in his kindergarten class. The oldest had an April birthday. My daughter with a June birthday is set to start high school in the fall as a young 9th grader. I’m prepared to hold back if it doesn’t seem like she’s on a trajectory to be socially ready for a full on college experience. Academics are no issue for her either.

And just to be clear, I’m not saying homeschooling is a solution for everyone. It’s not. I do think MANY schools fail kids that are advanced especially in K-6 classrooms. But I also think they’re failing active kids that don’t just fall in line either. You see services and options for a much wider range as kids get older and into high school. I do think there is merits to not skipping up if you can find a good solution for elementary school. With a girl and a July birthday with a Sept 1 cut off? At just turning 2, I wouldn’t make a call yet. I’d be starting to get a pulse on the programming available locally to me. My son’s kindergarten was full day and very structured. It was basically 1st grade. But with a kid in full time structured day care, that may not be a horrible transition either. Had we needed school to work for him, I think we would have found something more active and hands on with less paper pushing for the early grades.

As an aside, starting music lessons early (preschool) was a great outlet for both my kids.

I used to think–just let them start if you think they can do it. Why would you hold them back?
No sense in NOT starting school.
But that was years ago. I’ve changed my tune.
NOW you have to think many years ahead.
With AP classes, dual credits etc, accelerated programs, your kid can end up very far ahead of their maturity level and just really missing the boat on so many levels. Just because they’re too young!

DS has a birthday at the end of November- our school district cut off was 10/31. He was in a preschool class with a group of boys from the time he was 2 and all of them were going off to K. I could not leave him in pre-k, so we put him in a private K, with the plan to assess at end of year if he should repeat k at public school or move up to 1st. We had our district test him and they recommended he go to 1st, as did his K teacher. He is now 19, a sophomore in college, 4.0, lots of friends (he is the youngest) leadership, clubs etc. We have never regretted our decision! Is this decision right for everyone, maybe not but it was the right one for us.

@1S1Dforcollege that sounds like an ideal way to handle it, being flexible right up until the decision needed to be made.

Thank you all for your replies.

  1. I’m not at all stressed by this situation. Really wasn’t looking for advice, more just a sense of what y’all had seen. Thank you to those who shared your personal stories.

  2. To be clear, my wife and I are very much on the same page in terms of seeing where the little one is at when the time comes, which in part has been why this discussion with everyone 3 years in advance is so strange to us. And the fact that some people seem so vehemently set on a decision already. Ironically, the one who is the most severe about starting her daughter a year later is also the one who is coaching her daughter through rote memorization of her numbers/letters the earliest (and seems to miss the fact that it’s just that, rote without any actual understanding of what she’s saying) and most concerned on hitting milestones early.

  3. Agreed with those of you who make the points about club sports by birthdate. The discussion so far has focused on HS sports since the eligibility is not tied to age. The expansion of club sports/travel teams is actually one of the things I’ve pointed out as a counterexample to starting late.

" Really wasn’t looking for advice"

C’mon. It’s CC. You get free advice whether you were looking for it or not. :smiley:

"coaching her daughter through rote memorization of her numbers/letters the earliest "

Ugh.

It sounds like you and your wife have s good handle on pros and cons and will make a well-informed choice when it’s time to do so. Best of luck!

I personally have never understood folks who push others to meet milestones “early” because of some competitive needs of their own.

For kids who are ready for kindergarten, I don’t think it’s good to hold them back. If they’re older than the rest, they’ll be ahead not only in sports but possibly in academics, and they may be impatient with other kids and find school boring. My son is an end-of-July kid and I couldn’t imagine holding him back, especially for sports which he never liked anyway.

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My s’s both have spring/summer birthdays and were often the youngest or almost the youngest in their class. The only time I remember being aware of it was when everyone in their class was getting their learners permits and drivers licenses, and they were the last to do so. Then in younger s’s college, a chem E class took a class trip to a brewery . Three guesses who was the only one who wasn’t yet 21 and was selected to be the designated driver… :>

This is an interesting topic because there isn’t a one size fits all answer and it’s hard to know at kindergarten age what will happen as the child matures. We started our son in K at aged 4 because we felt he was ready. Our district allowed testing for early admission which he passed. We made the right decision. The district neglected to tell his K teacher that he was an early admit and we ended up having a meeting because she felt his motor skills were behind other kids which was a fair point. But since he was already reading at an advanced level they were great about providing the gifted services that allowed him to be successful early on. We’ve never regretted that decision to start him early and even though he will be a 17 year old in college, he is ready and mature enough to handle it. It’s a tough decision starting early or holding back. For us it worked out great and we don’t regret it.

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Well, I already shared my own family’s experiences. Since many of us seem to like the anecdotes, I have more than I could list but will give a few:

In my neighborhood I know of of 2 who started early (born after cut offs), by going to a private kindergarten and then transferring to 1st at public the next year. One was a success, at least so far as she heads to high school. Funny, smart, social but not immaturely so, good grades and was identified as gifted in elementary. The other was always a headache. Did ok academically but was more than a handful behaviorally. Immature. She is in college now, so still successful, but it seemed a harder road.
I also know at least 2 (boys) in my neighborhood, currently high school, who easily made the cut offs but waited the extra year, per advice of preschool teachers. The are on the average academically and average as far as maturity. In other words, they fit in and are only as bored as a typical kid gets in school sometimes.

In preschools, I had kids in my classes (3 year olds) with parents planning to keep them home an extra year even with my feedback that they were academically and socially/emotionally ready earlier. Obviously their call, and before anyone asks, I was asked for feedback and didn’t push it on them.
I also had at least 2 that I know of (some I wouldn’t know what happened later, these I did) who were both girls and who I recommended the parents consider giving them an extra year. Both parents ignored that recommendation. One literally because her extended family would think that meant her child was stupid. She flat out told me that. One ended up repeating kindergarten and the other went to Universal PreK after my year with her and those teachers told the parents that she needed to repeat UPK because she wasn’t ready for kindergarten.

Long story short, really listen to the advice of other adults who spend time with your kids and other kids in their peer group.

Like most answered, it really depends on the kid. I do hate the “creep” though that has been occurring. Our deadline is 8/31. I have three sons - two at the very end of August, and one mid-July - so had to make decisions on each of them. They all went on time. What I hated was they were not the youngest by 12 months, but by 16 or 17 months. THAT drove me crazy.

I did consider holding my 2nd son back for social reasons as he really didn’t play with his peers in preschool. After talking to many telling me to hold back so he would be a “leader” I realized that my son’s personality was more introverted and holding him back probably would be a detriment as he probably wouldn’t be a leader either way. I thought it would be easier NOT being a leader as the youngest in the class, than NOT being a leader as the oldest. All three of my boys played sports until 8th grade, although they were average players. Holding them back a year wold NOT have changed that at all.

All three of my sons did well in school, each had a group of friends, and all three graduated #1 (for two) and #4 (3rd) in their high school class. They all did well in college too. If a summer child is really not ready, then holding them back is for their best. Otherwise if they meet the age criteria, I think they should go.

Here is something to think about: in Georgia, suppose an 18 year old high school student gets into a fight with (or perhaps, as a prank, steals something from) a 17 year old high school student and gets convicted of a crime as a result. Looks like Georgia now considers him/her a “sex offender”, according to https://gbi.georgia.gov/sex-offender-registry-frequently-asked-questions#goone .

I started kindergarten when I was 4 and a neighbor had their kid start at 4 which is rare in this day and age. I wasn’t going to be a pro,athlete so it didn’t matter. I feel like academically you just become whatever you’re at in school. It’s only a few months difference really. I think it’s weird and unfair for sports that some kids are turning 19 in HS.

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I think there is only one more episode left this season?

I live in NYC where the cut-off is December 31. I have a late-December daughter. There is no choice in public schools here, even if there are legitimate reasons for either holding back or moving forward if the birthdate is close to the cut-off. I adamantly oppose that policy. We sent my D on time but it was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made as a parent, and the repercussions continued for years. She had the academic skills, but she was very immature socially, and still even needed a nap - being overtired really impacted her ability to learn in those early years. Also, she is very tiny and was a little later to puberty than her classmates, which provoked teasing in middle school. Both of those things really impacted her self confidence, and I think that particular child would have been better served to have waited. The cut-off date really is arbitrary, and I think there needs to be a better way.

We have 3, born in May, July, and August. We had the choice with all three, a boy, another boy, and a girl. In all three cases we held them back a year. Mainly because my wife, a stay at home mom, wanted the time with her kids. She is also is/was a math teacher prior to having kids, so she used that time to be with them. They did the normal pre-K half day 3 days a week routine, but rarely did my kids grow up watching anymore than 1/2 hour of tv at a time and spent their time learning to read and such at home.

If you can afford this, I highly recommend it. We are by no means rich or certainly weren’t rich then and justified the savings in daycare/pre-school vs. the money she made as a HS teacher and determined the investment in our kids was worth the extra $15k in income we’d get if she kept working. For us the investment has paid off. All three are now in college, entering college next year, or in high school. Each kid is very well rounded, great students, but more importantly great kids.

OP, first of all, I’d like to say that I think it’s great that you’re thinking about this outside your friend group. When you’re hanging with a group who all have kids the same age and when you often exchange helpful tips, it’s sometimes not as easy to see that your longer-term parenting goals and styles may be dramatically different. Your post resonated with me because few topics were such a cause for long-term self-doubt as the decision about whether to hold back or not. My kid is now in college, and we really waffled on this one. Here are a pile of stories from friends who went through this when we did and shared their stories as well as what we gleaned along the way…

There are some communities in which holding back is so much the norm (NYC private schools, for example), that K is actually more developmentally appropriate for a “normal” first grader. So before you think about it as holding back, find out what the age distribution is in their normal K class.

Schools that are very small – perhaps only one class of each grade – may need to start kids who are pretty tightly grouped around certain developmental points because they lack the bandwidth to deal with a wider range. So again, it’s about their normal distribution around a developmental mean.

As noted, sports are often a reason people cite for holding back. And while it’s true that many sports are played by age group, when kids are applying to private high schools and later college, they will be compared to the cohort at their new school, and another year to perfect skills and get bigger, stronger, and faster is almost always an advantage. (Just think about red-shirting in college or the prevalence of PG years for students in certain sports.) With that said, it’s hard for me to see how one could choose this route for a 4 year old…

A friend’s daughter who started “on time” was asked by their school to repeat a year because she was always falling asleep and seemed to lack the energy of her peers. She really benefited from the extra year and her parents feel it was the best decision they ever made. Another friend’s D also seemed to have some energy issues as the youngest in her class, and her mother lamented that this made it hard for her to engage in a lot of activities outside of school. But she was doing great in her school, so they didn’t want to hold her back. With that said, this was still a bit of an issue in late elementary school, so it seems to have been more just part of her physical constitution. She is now doing great at one of NYC’s most selective test-in high schools. Some part of this is a matter of teasing out who your kid is (and is going to remain) and what is simply developmental.

DS had a classmate whose family held him back for sports. He had some learning issues and was asked to repeat K. The interventions were helpful, but it made him a full two years older than the younger contingent in the class. And while he was a good athlete, I don’t either he or his classmates felt like it that was as much of an accomplishment as it was because he was so much older.

Another friend started her kids at the “normal” age and decided between middle and high school that her S was a bit on the immature side. The family decided to do a travel/home school year. She remarked that she would not have felt comfortable doing that if her S was already on the older end. So she did her “hold back” not pre K, but pre-9. If you look at the prep school forum, you’ll see that a lot of kids are advised to repeat a year when making that transition. While many aren’t, this becomes a difficult choice if you’re at the older end of the grade already. Which is all to say that if you don’t hold back now, it doesn’t mean that you can’t do it later.

Another friend did not hold her D back and noted that when her D’s friends were getting interested in boys and other things, her D was not and that it got them another year of “school-centric” behavior before they lost her to her hormones, and at that point, she was a bit more invested in doing well at school. Again, hard to say if it was the kid or the environment.

Our LPS, as noted, often asked kids to repeat if they felt it’d be helpful. But it was also a place where it was hard to escape an early label. So if a kid found certain things challenging because they were younger and not developmentally where some of the classmates were, it was also easy for that same kid – however bright and capable – to be thought of as not much of a student, even years later. The G&T program was filled with kids with early birthdays, and while at some level, this says so much more about the teachers and the school, if your kid was one of the younger ones, it was more than a little frustrating. The JHU/CTY programs were often used as a way of making the case to the school that a kid was in fact not who he or she was in K…

In high school, some kids will drive earlier than others. Some will grow beards! It’s hard to know who your child will be then. It’s hard to know who will be bullied, who will be an athlete, etc. I’d personally advocate for trying to see what the norm is in the elementary schools you are considering. I’d also recommend that you do some reading on different educational philosophies and how they relate to development to see what resonates with you. I’d also suggest that you think a bit now – without being in the thick of it – what your idea of success for your child is. (I can guess what your friend forcing her child to memorize letters is!)