<p>I don’t think any parent here has said to their kid, “Go out and get a fake ID before you head off to college.” That would be enabling them. When their kid is hours and hundreds of miles away and somehow offers information that one can deduce that they have a fake ID, what do you expect the parent to do? And if you think telling the kid over and over again that they shouldn’t do it is going to stop them, then you’re naive. So you must have in mind some sort of consequence.</p>
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<p>Didn’t you tell me he held up the student bookstore at gunpoint? :)</p>
<p>Insomniatic- Instead of trying (and failing) to score points against adults on an internet message board, why don’t you go have a couple of beers?</p>
<p>Insomniatic- Do you think all the kids on my son’s dorm hall at his college (all very bright kids or they wouldn’t be there) were given permission by their parents to get fake IDs? I doubt many of the parents knew. We happened to be there when the IDs were being compared and flashed around. Should I have immediately called the police? I will admit that even I was surprised at the fact that they ALL had the IDs. Bad, bad kids.</p>
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Here in America, no one is required to agree with the law. I don’t agree with the drinking age laws nor that using someone’s ID to buy a drink warrants jail time. That does not mean I think we are “above” the law, nor that I think my Ds won’t suffer the consequences of the law if they get caught. I do think there is nothing “wrong” with a 20 year old ordering a drink.</p>
<p>If my adult Ds use someone else’s ID and get caught, they will suffer the consequences, not me. Do I want them to do it? No. Do I understand why it happens? Yes.</p>
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<p>Why is it unrealistic to not drink? Why is it so hard to avoid alcohol?</p>
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<p>Huh? Scoring what points? I am here to have a conversation.</p>
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<p>So if people don’t agree with laws, then it is fine to disobey them?</p>
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<p>Please read all 246 posts and then come back and post the same thing. The problem is you won’t because it isn’t true.</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to avoid alcohol? Well- because they don’t WANT to avoid alcohol. If they wanted to avoid it (and there are those who do), it can be done. It takes a little work, but it can be done. Young adults enjoy a social life that includes alcohol. Some abuse it. Many do not.</p>
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<p>You beat me to it MOWC, I was about to suggest the same. Insomniatic, everything in life is not so black and white as you suggest it should be.</p>
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<p>A law is black and white. This is what this whole thread is all about.</p>
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<p>So, insomniatic, is it about principle or just because it doesn’t affect you? A law that made blacks sit at the back of the bus wouldn’t affect you if you are not black, either, so would that be a problem for you?</p>
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<p>Again, comparing civil rights to obtain alcohol illegally is silly…</p>
<p>Many laws don’t affect a lot of people.</p>
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<p>Of course it is… so go turn yourself in the next time you do 56 in a 55, say 6 Hail Marys and 4 Our Fathers, do 40 hrs. community service and pay a $120 fine and feel good about being superior to the average person. Hoorah!</p>
<p>As parents, we have a lot of battles (issues) we need to deal with our kids. Having fake IDs in college just isn’t high on my radar. I am also not saying it’s something I would encourage. </p>
<p>I would say D1 tells me 80% of her life, but there is the other 20% which is better to be kept private, especially now she is about to graduate from college.</p>
<p>D2 probably tells me 50% of her life - purely on need to know basis.</p>
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<p>So your kids breaking the law is not high on your radar?</p>
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<p>Who said I was superior to the average person? I don’t break laws. That doesn’t mean I am better than the average person.</p>
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<p>It depends. Laws/crimes are actually not usually “black or white,” unless they involve strict liability offenses. The law will generally look at the totality of the circumstances when evaluating whether an offense has occurred, and what the consequences should be. An 18-year-old routinely buying and supplying alcohol to minors using a counterfeit ID will likely be punished much more severely than a 20-year-old who uses a friend’s ID (with permission) to buy one canned Margarita that he consumes at home.</p>
<p>Nope, and I sleep very well every night.</p>
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<p>In the ladder, both the 20 year old and the person that owns the ID would be punished.</p>
<p>Again, why risk it?</p>
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<p>Because some 20-year-olds really want one canned Margarita and don’t think there is anything wrong with that. So they are willing to take the risk.</p>