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<p>It’s illegal on both accounts. No wonder why some kids act the way they do when their parents tell them it’s ok to use somebody else’s ID that looks like them. Wow.</p>
<p>Why did people give their ID’s to you in the first place? Don’t they need them themselves?</p>
<p>I didn’t tell my kids its ok to use somebody else’s ID. Wow.</p>
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<p>Since when does having a fake ID mean you get drunk every night? Obviously, you are not really plugged into the reality of campus life. Good for you for not having a fake ID. Whether or not I want my kid to be like everyone else is irrelevant. There isn’t a whole lot a parent can do to stop a college kid from having a fake ID. It isn’t just about access to alcohol- you don’t need a fake ID for that. It’s about access to clubs, bars, etc. </p>
<p>By the way, my son also had a job while in college, did not get drunk every night (or maybe he did… who knows:?), graduated from college and has a good job.</p>
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<p>Who did you get the ID’s from “that looks like your kids”? You knew that your kids were using fake ID’s? Correct?</p>
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<p>Actually there is a lot you can do. You can talk to them about alcohol poisoning, getting caught with the fake ID’s, expulsion from school, etc. You seem to be the type of parent who thinks that if everybody does it, then it is fine.</p>
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<p>You are very confused. My ADULT children obtained their own fake IDs. I had nothing to do with it. They did not even know that I had also had one when I was in college. Yes, I knew they had one because they told me about them. What would you have me do about it? Have them arrested? It is their life and they are aware of the risk.</p>
<p>Every college student I know also has some sort of ID to use to go into establishments that require an ID. When I went to college, the drinking age was 18. I wish it was now too. It is very very unrealistic to think that students for most or all of their college years, will never go out or have a drink. My girls are not party girls. NO, they do not get drunk as they lead very busy lives with mucho responsibilities. They never drank at all in high school. I did not mind whatsoever that they drank in college though as that is the norm and I did too when I was in college. As young adults living independently, we don’t control what they do. This happens to not be something I feel strongly about either.</p>
<p>I don’t recall what method my older D had to have an ID while in college. I know what my younger D did. She had an older friend of many years who was a senior at that college when my D was a freshman. Older friend’s ID had expired and she gave it to my D. I guess for all four years of college, none of the places in NYC ever said anything that the date was expired. let alone that her face wasn’t a match with the photo. She graduated college at age 20. Right around that time, and a few months shy of turning 21, one establishment took her ID (she was not in any trouble) because they recognized the girl in the photo and knew who she was and that my D wasn’t her. For the remaining few months until her 21st birthday, my older D, who was 22 at the time, ordered a new driver’s license and gave her old (but current and unexpired one) to younger sister to use until her 21st birthday. Had my D not had an ID, she could never have gone out with ANY of her friends who were ALL older, including her BF. </p>
<p>I don’t care if others disapprove. I wasn’t involved but I don’t have a big problem with it as every college kid I know of has an ID and they all went out together and many were not over 21. Both my kids went to colleges in cities. Never had any problem.</p>
<p>Ditto what Bay wrote. I wasn’t involved either. </p>
<p>And yes, we talked of alcohol poisoning and so forth. Kids can drink with or without an ID!!! The ID is just for going into establishments that serve. You can drink in a dorm without an ID! The ID is not what gives one access to drinking.</p>
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<p>You still haven’t answered my question. Who are the people that “looked like us and (permanently) gave them to us to use”? You said the ID’s were obtained by your daughter on her own, but then you said your daughter was using somebody’s else’s ID that looked like her. Which is right? </p>
<p>Please read post #18 where you stated:</p>
<p>“Adding to my post #12, neither my nor my Ds’ IDs are/were actually “fake.” They were valid IDs that belonged to other people who looked like us and (permanently) gave them to us to use. I don’t know if the legal ramifications for using this type of ID are different from using an altered or counterfeit ID.”</p>
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<p>It’s all fun until somebody gets hurt. I’m sure your views would change if something happened to your daughters with alochol involved.</p>
<p>This is where I don’t get how some people think. If everybody does it, then it is fine? Really? Very poor parenting in my opinion.</p>
<p>Bay is saying, as am I, that our kids (in my case, I know this to be true for one of my kids) did not have some ID made for them, wherever it is that you go to obtain fake IDs. They simply used OTHERS’ real IDs. My D used older friend’s ID for about four years and she is not that name or photo on it and it was even expired. I also mentioned she used older sister’s real license, same last name, not same photo, not made up fake, but older D just ordered a new one and gave sister the other one she had.</p>
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<p>So…choosing which liquids to put into your own body is not a civil right?</p>
<p>Anticipating that you will say that it’s not, I then ask:</p>
<p>So…choosing which contraceptives to put into your own body is a civil right?</p>
<p>How can putting one thing into your body be a civil right, but the other one not? They both carry potential health risks. Some people find them both morally objectionable. What objective criteria can there be for distinguishing one from the other?</p>
<p>I consider this to be a more reasonable position: Putting whatever liquids you choose into your own body is a civil right, because you’re only endangering yourself. Ingesting liquids that physical impair you *and then going out driving *is not a civil right, because it endangers others. I have not yet heard a good argument against this position, but I’m looking forward to hearing one one day.</p>
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<p>insomniatic…something could happen to my kids with alcohol even without any ID. I mean, you do know that alcohol is in dorms, right? Or that older friends buy it and may even share an apartment with you, right? So, the kids can “get hurt” with or without an ID. The ID is not what is unsafe. The alcohol can be, if not used responsibly. My kids happen to be very responsible and don’t get drunk and are not big party types as they have scheduled responsibilities most every day and night and weekend. Yes, they do go out with friends, but not to get bombed. In fact, my younger D has performed many times in clubs in NYC as a singer and yet, was under 21 herself!!</p>
<p>The same “safety” issues apply now that both my kids are over 21. Age, nor ID, are what determine their safety with alcohol.</p>
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<p>You are still confused. Thirty-something years ago my older sister went to the DMV, reported her DL lost and got a new one. She gave me her still valid (not really lost) other DL. This was done very commonly among groups of friends as the older ones turned 21, so that everyone could go out together.</p>
<p>I assume the IDs my Ds were given from older college friends were obtained the same way. But I really don’t know because I was not involved in the procurement.</p>
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<p>Still doesn’t make it right. Like I said, very poor parenting skills if you think this is ok.</p>
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<p>Per Wikipedia: “Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples’ physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, national origin, age, or sexual orientation; and individual rights such as the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement.”</p>
<p>So no, consuming alochol is not a civil right.</p>
<p>it’s been really interesting to read the comments on this topic. This is something that I’ve definitely wrestled with to see where I stand on fakes. I know both sides of the debate and think all arguments are very valid and can see the reasoning behind them.</p>
<p>I think the question is, when is disobedience of the law ok and when isn’t?</p>
<p>Bay, exactly! That is what my older D did with her license when younger D had no ID for a few months before her 21st birthday. Neither lived in the same state, nor the state of the driver’s license.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, even Wikipedia’s list of civil rights is not all-inclusive. And who are you to tell other people what their civil rights are? You know, a few short decades ago, many would have read that same list and insisted with all sincerity that making blacks drink from separate fountains did not violate their civil rights.</p>
<p>Once again, as always, it’s a question of where to draw the line, and the answer changes continuously throughout history, and even from minute to minute within a society. There is no accepted list of civil rights. If there were, this argument would have ended many years ago.</p>
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<p>So why did you state this when you are now saying you don’t know how your daughter obtained her fake ID? </p>
<p>"Adding to my post #12, neither my nor my Ds’ IDs are/were actually “fake.”</p>