<p>pierre, I respect the law. If my young adult children choose to use an ID that is not really their own ID in a drinking establishment, they will be the ones who have to deal with that. I was not part of the procurement. I do not believe the risk is high. Like I said, one bouncer, after four years of usage, took D2’s ID because he recognized the girl who it belonged to who had been there before. I think this is what many places would do…take the ID and turn you away. </p>
<p>Likewise, I can’t control if my kids go over the speed limit.</p>
<p>insomniatic, you don’t get what Bay is saying. She meant the IDs were not the kind of fake IDs that are printed with your real name on them, etc. She is saying that she thinks her kids, just like my kids, used REAL IDs but that they belonged to OTHERS!</p>
<p>D1 had a fake ID. I think she paid around $100 for it. D2 knew that D1 had a fake ID and that we knew about it. D1’ s campus had many bars within walking distance, so bars were a way of life for many students.</p>
<p>D2 did not get a fake ID. Her campus is in a residential area with one bar in walking distance. She never had any desire to go to it because there were always ‘house’ parties to go to within walking distance of campus. Or she had friends who were 21 buy her stuff if she wanted it for a special occasion that didn’t involve going to someone else’s place. There were also a couple of clubs that had at least one night a month where it would be closed to everyone except the local college students (there are four colleges in the area), but over 18 were allowed. They might have pre-gamed before going, but she’s not the kind of kid that really needs any alcohol as an excuse for dancing.</p>
<p>Like teriwtt says, if you go to college in a rural area or very small town, then lots of the drinking is just on campus. But my kids went to college in cities. One was in NYC. So, it would be the unusual college student in NYC to never go into an establishment for most of their college years. There were not a lot of campus parties. They often went out late at night after a rehearsal or show or something, for a drink or cast party, at an establishment. And, as I already wrote, my kid is a performer and is hired to perform in various venues/clubs in NYC, and well before she was 21 and so ya know, they also served her.</p>
<p>The risk is very high. One one my cousins got expelled from school because he used a fake ID and it is now on his permanant record. Now every employer will see that if they use background checks. Not really worth the risk.</p>
<p>Was the fake ID to get into an on campus event? That is different than using an ID that belongs to someone else to go into a bar in NYC. If the bar turns you away due to the ID not matching your photo, how does their college know about that? It is not on campus.</p>
<p>Maybe because I hung around the right people that didn’t break the law and didn’t drink underage, but it is not unusual for a college student not to drink.</p>
<p>Why can’t kids just wait until they are 21 to drink? They have their whole lives ahead of them. Why can’t they just act like kids?</p>
<p>In any case, insomniatic, as to whether it is worth the risk to use an ID that is either fake or not your own is an adult decision. Such adults have to weigh the risks. If it is not worth it to you, I respect that. It is an individual decision. But it is fact, that thousands of college students all do this. It is not a HUGE risk or there would be thousands of expelled students right now.</p>
<p>insomniatic, I respect that you do not choose to drink until age 21. My kids chose to never drink in high school. But they did have drinks in college in a responsible manner, likely once a week, as their schedules would not have allowed for any more than that. You ask why they can’t act like kids? I think they acted like COLLEGE students. Drinking socially in college, but responsibly, is very typical for 18-22 year olds. As I said, we could at that age when I went to college and I don’t have a problem with young adults drinking responsibly. I do have a problem with teens drinking.</p>
<p>In fact, no part of the Constitution makes mention of alcohol consumption, nor of birth control, nor of speeding, nor of abortion, nor of marijuana, and on and on. Its framers wisely made no attempt to capture every possible facet of human existence and deem it protected or unprotected. That’s why they gave us the 10th Amendment; they new they couldn’t anticipate everything, and they wanted rights to be preserved by default, not denied by default.</p>
<p>Where would you draw the line? Here are some things I’d like to make illegal. The Constitution doesn’t protect any of them:</p>
<ul>
<li> bell-bottoms</li>
<li> lower-back tattoos</li>
<li> cutting in line (hurts my feelings)</li>
<li> partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil (health hazard)</li>
<li> Nintendo Wii (cause repetitive stress injuries)</li>
<li> Twilight posters (morally offensive by my community’s standards)</li>
<li> BMW’s (driven primarily by cocaine addicts)</li>
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<p>In fact, I’ve already started phoning my Congressmanand more importantly, the pastor of my megachurchto get them all banned. Hope you don’t have any of them. But presumably you’ll say that you don’t have any of them, and therefore that it’s okay with you if they’re all banned, and that everyone who does have them is executed.</p>
<p>By the way, for one of my kids, she wasn’t even 21 until she was out of college. I cannot imagine it being realistic to think she would go to college for four years, in Manhattan no less, and never have a drink or never go into a place that served. Further, some of those places hired her to perform for their patrons.</p>
<p>^^^LOL, actually I think the megachurch would be ok with that. They play secular music at the church that I go to (started last service with “Living On A Prayer” by Bon Jovi)</p>
<p>insomniatic, you ask why I want my kids to be “typical?” They are not typical. In fact, I think they are often praised for their uniqueness. This has nothing to do with that. It is unrealistic to expect that college students will never drink. If they don’t want to, fine. But going out once in a while in college is the norm for the college experience. It is not “naughty behavior.” Even unique people do it! </p>
<p>Yes, I draw the line at teens drinking who are not yet in college. I don’t have a problem with college age kids drinking responsibly because they are independent adults at that point, living on their own. They have adult responsibilities. I think making decisions over alcohol is one that a young adult has to make for themselves. But when in high school, PARENTS set the rules for their kids and oversee those.</p>
<p>Birth control most certainly was around back then. So was opium. You’re arguing minutiae while I’m trying to make a broader point. If you’d rather not engage in logical argument, just say so, and we can stop.</p>
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