Fake ID's

[insomniatic]

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Where would you draw the line? Here are some things I’d like to make illegal. The Constitution doesn’t protect any of them:</p>

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<li>bell-bottoms</li>
<li>lower-back tattoos</li>
<li>cutting in line (hurts my feelings)</li>
<li>partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil (health hazard)</li>
<li>Nintendo Wii (cause repetitive stress injuries)</li>
<li>Twilight posters (morally offensive by my community’s standards)</li>
<li>BMW’s (driven primarily by cocaine addicts)

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<p>You want to make them illegal, but they are not illegal. You make no sense.</p>

<p>BMW’s are driven primarily by cocaine addicts? I won’t even get into that.</p>

[insomniatic]

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In fact, I’ve already started phoning my Congressman—and more importantly, the pastor of my megachurch—to get them all banned. Hope you don’t have any of them. But presumably you’ll say that you don’t have any of them, and therefore that it’s okay with you if they’re all banned, and that everyone who does have them is executed.

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<p>Who said anything about being executed?</p>

[soozievt]

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Why don’t you think it is realistic? Why can’t people have fun without alcohol and not break the law at the same time?

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<p>It is very possible to have fun without alcohol, of course!! They had fun lots and lots with no drinking too. But if every friend is going to a place to hear music for the night and she wants to go and you need an ID to get in, I have no problem with it in college. Heck, sometimes she was going to support her friends who are performers in these establishments. My kids do not drink all the time. But they do attend events or places where alcohol is served.</p>

<p>At this exact moment, my daughter is on stage performing in NYC. An ID is required to get into this venue and drinks are served and there is even a minimum number of drinks you must order or be charged. My D happens to be 21 at the moment. She has performed in this venue many times before she was 21 and has attended to see other friends who have performed there. I can’t imagine her performing there and not being allowed to drink herself, and I also can’t imagine her not supporting friends who are performers at these venues just because she is not yet 21. I have NO problem with this.</p>

[insomniatic]

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Yes, I draw the line at teens drinking who are not yet in college. I don’t have a problem with college age kids drinking responsibly because they are independent adults at that point, living on their own.

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<p>So a college student who lives at homes shouldn’t drink then?</p>

[insomniatic]

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Birth control most certainly was around back then. So was opium. You’re arguing minutiae while I’m trying to make a broader point. If you’d rather not engage in logical argument, just say so, and we can stop.

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<p>You think birth control should be illegal? So what is your point?</p>

[soozievt]

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So a college student who lives at homes shouldn’t drink then?

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<p>If I had a kid in college who still lived at home, yes, I’d allow them to drink as they are adults. I would NOT let my high school kids do it. And when my college kids came home to visit, they were allowed to have a glass of wine, but not before then.</p>

[insomniatic]

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If I had a kid in college who still lived at home, yes, I’d allow them to drink as they are adults. I would NOT let my high school kids do it. And when my college kids came home to visit, they were allowed to have a glass of wine, but not before then.

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<p>Again, you could actually go to jail for the things that you did. Not smart parenting at all.</p>

[MomofWildChild]

<p>This is one of the strangest threads I have ever seen on CC.</p>

[insomniatic]

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If I had a kid in college who still lived at home, yes, I’d allow them to drink as they are adults. I would NOT let my high school kids do it.

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<p>So if your high school kid was 18, you wouldn’t let them drink, but if they were in college you would?</p>

[soozievt]

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So if your high school kid was 18, you wouldn’t let them drink, but if they were in college you would?

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<p>Call me silly but for me, the point of difference was when they were in college living on their own. But in any case, neither of my kids were 18 while in high school so that situation never came up. We never served alcohol to them when they lived at home (they have only lived at home prior to college and never since entering college) and they never drank and were always supervised and did not attend homes without supervision.</p>

[insomniatic]

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Call me silly but for me, the point of difference was when they were in college living on their own. But in any case, neither of my kids were 18 while in high school so that situation never came up.

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<p>But if they were 18 in high school would you have given them alcohol since they were an adult?</p>

[mantori.suzuki]

<p>insomniatic is being what is known on the 'net as a ■■■■■. He or she refuses to accept that different people draw the line of acceptable behavior in different places, and would rather trip people up with sophistry rather than engage in coherent, logical argument. For example, watch where this goes:</p>

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Who said anything about being executed?

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<p>You apparently believe that if something is not protected by the Constitution, then it’s okay to make a law against it. Well, there’s no law protecting drinking alcohol, as you’ve pointed out, so it’s okay to prohibit it. And since the Constitution doesn’t prescribe a punishment for the crime of drinking alcohol, and since the 10th Amendment gives the states the right to make laws about things that aren’t specifically mentioned in the Constitution, then presumably your state could choose to make alcohol consumption a capital offense, and you wouldn’t object, at least not on constitutional grounds.</p>

[GA2012MOM]

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Not smart parenting at all.

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<p>insomniatic, I hardly think you have any credentials on parenting considering you are about 23 years old.</p>

[Bay]

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insomniatic is being what is known on the 'net as a ■■■■■.

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<p>I agree. Nevertheless, I will jump back in and say I think there is a valid Equal Protection argument against the current legal age for drinking. I suppose drunk driving stats might rise to the level of a “rational basis” for discriminating against 18-20 year old adults, otherwise I don’t know how States get away with it.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>Thank you insomniatic, age 23, for advising me on “smart parenting.” :D</p>

[atomom]

<p>People should obey the law. The drinking age is 21 now. Parents who don’t expect their kids to obey the law (because they disagree with the law? because they have fond memories of drinking when they were 18-20yo students?) send a mixed message and are a big part of the problem, IMO. Fake ID? If any of my kids were caught with one, they’d be on their own.
No help or sympathy from me. The “need” for a fake ID would be a sign of three things: hanging around with the “wrong” type of “friends,” an alcohol problem, disregard for the law.
Not at all what I’d want for my kids.</p>

[Bay]

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insomniatic, you don’t get what Bay is saying. She meant the IDs were not the kind of fake IDs that are printed with your real name on them, etc. She is saying that she thinks her kids, just like my kids, used REAL IDs but that they belonged to OTHERS!

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<p>Yes, that is correct. My Ds told me the name of their friends who gave them the IDs. I have actually met the girls who owned the IDs. They look a lot like my Ds, but one of them has different-colored eyes than my D. One of my Ds is now over 21 so I don’t have to worry about her any more in this regard.</p>

[insomniatic]

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insomniatic, I hardly think you have any credentials on parenting considering you are about 23 years old.

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<p>I don’t have to have credentials to state my opinion. Any parent that breaks the law and serves alcohol to minors does not pssess good parenting skills.</p>

[MomofWildChild]

<p>atomom- Good luck finding that universe!</p>

[insomniatic]

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People should obey the law. The drinking age is 21 now. Parents who don’t expect their kids to obey the law (because they disagree with the law? because they have fond memories of drinking when they were 18-20yo students?) send a mixed message and are a big part of the problem, IMO. Fake ID? If any of my kids were caught with one, they’d be on their own.
No help or sympathy from me. The “need” for a fake ID would be a sign of three things: hanging around with the “wrong” type of “friends,” an alcohol problem, disregard for the law.
Not at all what I’d want for my kids.

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<p>Finally an example of a good parent.</p>