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<p>Any rational human being would say that breaking the law isn’t a good thing and it is is not acceptable behavior.</p>
<p>Drinking underage is against the law. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>“This is something that I’ve definitely wrestled with to see where I stand on fakes.”</p>
<p>Perfectly phrased pierre. In sports I believe the phrase is “no harm, no foul.” If a student purchases a fake in order to fit into his/her social group but never uses it to purchase alcohol, would an appropriate response be expulsion? What if some miscreant slips a fake id into someone else’s pocket, should the victim be subject to expulsion? The only VALUE in this discussion … as pierre so cogently states … is that it forces responsible adults to think about the issue. JMHO of course.</p>
<p>''Any rational human being would say that breaking the law isn’t a good thing and it is s not acceptable behavior."</p>
<p>Spoken like a ■■■■■ … or by someone who’s had very little life experience.</p>
<p>Thank you, insomniatic for letting me know I am a “bad parent.”</p>
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<p>I fell very sorry for you if you feel that breaking the law is a good thing.</p>
<p>Again, it’s no wonder why kids break the law. It comes from home and what the parents teach them.</p>
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<p>Now don’t you feel better? :)</p>
<p>This past summer D1 accidentally dropped her wallet, I picked it up and a lot of her cards fell out, I noticed there were 2 ids which didn’t belong to her. I looked at those ids and they looked like her - half Asian and half Caucasian. I said to her, “Hmm, at least you have enough sense to have IDs that look kind of like you.” She just turned 21, so no worries. I just have one more to go and she is 16.</p>
<p>My 16 year old rarely gets carded when we go out. She is certainly welcome to have a glass of wine when we go out for dinner.</p>
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<p>Good point. One of my Ds has used her friend’s ID to purchase alcoholic drinks in a bar. The other older D was always too afraid to do this; she would use her friend’s ID to gain admission to bars, but would only order non-alcoholic drinks while inside.</p>
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<p>No it isn’t plain and simple. Each State has its own laws regarding underage drinking.</p>
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<p>I understand. For my kids, I don’t feel that they hang with the wrong type of friends. I have a lot of respect for the very responsible friends they have who are very accomplished young adults who hold responsible positions. My kids do not have an alcohol problem because once in a while, as young adults, they have a drink and never get drunk and their lives do not center on partying and in fact, they typically are working night and day. No, I am not generally into disregarding laws either. I do make an exception for this one law for those who are over 18 / in college. That doesn’t mean I believe in blanket disregard for ALL laws. I believe 18 year olds should be able to drink. I don’t think the risk of presenting an ID that doesn’t belong to you to enter an establishment that serves is highly risky. My kids would be very alone for four years of college if they never could attend events or performances, etc. that the majority of other students were attending. My kids got through college just fine, achieved a lot, are well regarded professionally, and have never been in an ounce of trouble. So, I am feeling fine about it.</p>
<p>Here is a post by insomniatic from another thread.</p>
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<p>Now that’s some good parenting, lmao!</p>
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<p>I was joking (hence lol).</p>
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<p>I was never feeling bad in the first place.</p>
<p>When my extended family went on a holiday cruise in celebration of my mother’s 75th birthday, and all six grandkids were along, four were in college and two were not. The four in college were not yet 21. The parents for all of these kids were on the trip as well as the grandparent. On the cruise at dinner, the four grandkids who were in college were served and the two high school kids were not allowed to drink. Nobody was carded. They were with their parents as well. I guess we were all bad parents. However, we’d be blind and dumb to not acknowledge that they lived independently and did occasionally drink while in college. My two kids were very responsible and not party types. One of my nieces did have a problem with too much drinking in college, and caused health issues. </p>
<p>The fact that some college kids may use another person’s ID to go out with their friends doesn’t imply that each of these people have a problem with alcohol or have friends who are heavy partiers. In the case of my niece, this was a problem. It wasn’t for my own kids. I don’t think you can make a blanket statement that all those who have a drink under age 21 party a lot or have alcohol issues or have friends who drink a lot. My kids barely had time to ever drink, honestly!!</p>
<p>Sure you were joking, “lol!”</p>
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<p>Are you sure you aren’t Dina Lohan?</p>
<p>I think all of us are thinking, “Thank goodness our kids are not like insomniatic.” </p>
<p>I feel better.</p>
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<p>Couldn’t they have attended other events where they didn’t have to break the law?</p>
<p>I never drank and had many friends who didn’t drink in college and had tons of fun. Why would your children be alone if they couldn’t drink or attend specific events?</p>
<p>Again, you said you fell fine that they broke the law. hmm</p>
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<p>insomniatic…here are some examples of events they would miss…For example, D2 is in performing arts. Throughout college, at the end of a run of a show, there was a cast party at establishments in NYC. If she could not enter, she’d miss the culmination of hours upon hours of this activity. Another example, many classmates and alums perform in venues in NYC where alcohol is served and an ID is required to enter. She would miss out supporting her fellow performers at their events. For that matter, she was often the performer at these public venues where IDs are required to be admitted. D1 was on a varsity sport team for her college. They had to be up at 6 AM and be in tip top shape. Nobody is dumb enough to drink before such competitions. However, at the end of the day, the team would be going out to dinner (they went away every weekend) and indeed drinks were served at the restaurant. They didn’t have to have one if they didn’t want to. But that was part of the team event with the coach. Another example may be going out to celebrate a friend’s 21st birthday (some even had rented a restaurant for the evening). My kids’ friends are older than themselves. They would have had to decline the birthday invitations because they could not have entered the establishment where it took place.</p>
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<p>But that’s life. People have to miss events for certain reasons. In this case, she wasn’t allowed to go the venues because she was too young. You are basically telling your daughter to break the rules just to get her way.</p>