Ferguson Part Deux - No charges to be filed!

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<p>It’s easy to say the police should solve the problem but it’s pretty apparent in police departments all over the country that they are not. It’s why the Cleveland PD is now under the a consent decree and subject to independent monitoring. Alburquerque, Detroit. Seattle and New Orleans also are under a consent decree. </p>

<p>There is no excuse for this type of behavior by the police. </p>

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<p>My point is that the burden should be on the police to fix it not the minority community. If they do not fix it internally I have no problem if it is fixed externally.</p>

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<p>What are you all talking about? </p>

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<p>Interesting piece in today’s NYT on Patrick Lynch.</p>

<p>Interestingly, he makes no mention at all of the intelligence/communication failure that led two NYPD officers completely exposed even with four hours’ warning that a deranged would-be cop killer was on his way to New York.</p>

<p><a href=“After Shootings, Police Union Chief Deepens Rift With de Blasio - The New York Times”>After Shootings, Police Union Chief Deepens Rift With de Blasio - The New York Times;

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<p>marie- what I am talking about is the fact that there is a problem that needs to be fixed and how we go about fixing it. In my opinion it needs to be fixed by police departments but if for some reason it is not fixed by the police it needs to be fixed by those officials in charge of the police.</p>

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<p>And another on the gunman. Those who want to blame the protests exclusively for his actions may not be looking deep enough.</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/23/nyregion/gunman-may-have-used-garner-and-brown-cases-to-justify-police-killings-experts-say.html?action=click&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article”>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/23/nyregion/gunman-may-have-used-garner-and-brown-cases-to-justify-police-killings-experts-say.html?action=click&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Ok. Gotcha. </p>

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<p>The problem is the false narrative that there has been a surge of cops randomly killing minorities for no reason. And, I don’t see any way of fixing that since it’s being spread intentionally and now it’s gotten really dangerous.</p>

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<p>I see a different problem and that is that law abiding minority families fear their children’s interaction with the police. That issue clearly exists and to deny it is not the answer.</p>

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<p>That problem has been caused by the false narrative spreaders.</p>

<p>Last night a teenager pointing a gun at a cop was shot and killed near Ferguson. His cohort in crime got away. People seem to have no clue how dangerous it is out there for everyone and the biggest threat is not the cops, whatever color you are and the best advice for dealing with police is obey them. They are law enforcement. And, Mayor De Blasio’s statements about his kid are especially offensive since his kid has an NYPD security detail.</p>

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<p>I am not sure about that. Minority families have significant anecdotal information they share with each other. They do not need wide spread media stories to do anything more than say yep it happened to me, my relative my friend etc.</p>

<p>Minority families have a vastly different life experience in regard to their dealings with police than I have ever had.
These deaths are the extreme but there are various issues throughout the range of mistreatment. Even undercover minority officers acknowledge it.</p>

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<p>I understand that you are trying to be understanding, while not understanding.</p>

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<p>No I understand my opinion on this developed way before these stories hit the media. The police can deny it and even hold off change for a while. Sooner of later the tide will change and they will be forced into changes that will be more damaging than if they confronted the issue and resolved it on their own.</p>

<p>I am not saying indict every cop even when they do not deserve to be indicted. I am not saying cave in to criminal activity. I am saying that they need to deal with their bad apples internally because they know who they are and the blind loyalty of you are either for me or against me is nonsense. They also need an increased minority presence on the force because these almost 100% white forces are too insular in thought and practice. When misdeeds are identified stop closing ranks and instead deal with the act. Do not treat every minority or every person as a criminal even young kids. People in power need to first show respect. Respect is not weakness.</p>

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<p>This is true whether or not you want to believe it, marie.</p>

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<p>The NYPD is a minority/majority department. And, yes of course they protect their own but I don’t see how that’s any different from the Michael Brown was just a nice jaywalker headed to grandmas house myth that started this mess. Unfortunately I don’t see any solutions around the corner because no-one in a position of leadership is wiling to be honest about even that simple fact. And, that is not to say cops are perfect, obviously. Cops are people, too.</p>

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<p>I have stayed away from this thread because I have such strong feelings regarding police and their interaction with minorities, especially Black males. There are a few posters here, that seem to think we are making this up, police always behave properly and every death was deserved. Exhibit A: even Black NYPD officers fear for their safety when off duty. It is sad that they have to suck it up and not complain or fear retribution. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223”>http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It is ludicrous to blame the protests for the unfortunate killing of the two officers. The guy was crazy. No one is discussing the fact that his first victim was his girlfriend. It is sad that she is totally being discounted in all of the coverage.</p>

<p>Patrick Lynch, NYPD union President, really needs to be quiet. He accuses DeBlasio of fanning the flames, when his rhetoric is so over the top! I dont know why he is so “shocked” about DeBlasio’s statements regarding his son. Newsflash, his son is Black, and given NYPD history, and the policy of stop and frisk, any parent with a child of color should prepare them. Heck we dont live in NYC and all black parents have the talk with their kids, especially their sons. Its right up there with the birds and the bees chat. </p>

<p>I do believe the protests should stop until the officers are laid to rest, it is the right thing to do. However, the protests should not stop. This is a serious problem. I should not be worried that any encounter my son has with the law may end up with him dead, and that is what we as Black mothers have to deal with on a daily basis.</p>

<p>This is not limited to a white cop issue. There are a lot of cops of color who are asses, and abuse their power too. There needs to be a broader discussion on use of force within police departments nationwide. In the end, the stats speak for themselves. There are far too many unarmed Black men being killed, at the hands of White officers.</p>

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<p>I work for a tax agency and followed very closely the stories back in the 90’s and recently that dealt with IRS misdeeds. The stories in the 90’s were overstated but the fact is the IRS was dealt a crushing blow because the perception of real misconduct. There clearly was some and since the IRS did not deal with it properly solutions were forced on them. Now police in general have greater support than IRS agents but there is a tipping point for any organization with authority over private citizens.</p>

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<p>@tom1944‌ well said!!</p>

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<p>FYI: Crime has dropped sharply in NYC and nationwide since the early '90s. As someone who grew up in NYC at the tail end of the high crime era in the '80s, the NYC of my childhood and now are like two totally separate cities. </p>

<p>Factors cited included boomers aging out of the 12-24 age group which are most likely to be committing violent street crimes and sharp drop of that demographic when Gen Xers…especially younger Gen Xers like yours truly aged in*, bans on use of lead paint in homes/parks and leaded gasoline in cars from the late '70s, more cops being hired due to increases in specific funding earmarks from government at all levels, etc. </p>

<p>In fact, crime for the last several years has dropped to the lowest point since the early 60’s. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/nyregion/31murder.html?bl=&ei=5087&en=fa043bdde2c94504&ex=1199250000&pagewanted=print”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/nyregion/31murder.html?bl=&ei=5087&en=fa043bdde2c94504&ex=1199250000&pagewanted=print&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<li>This factor is cited by Criminologists who published a study on this phenomenon sometime in the late '90s. It was part of the assigned reading for a friend who was majoring in Criminal Justice at a top 3 program.<br></li>
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<p>First, there are numerous documented cases where the unarmed black man WAS complying, and got shot anyway.</p>

<p>Second, resisting arrest is not a capital crime, last time I checked. </p>